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TheD · « **Reply #30 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:44:40 PM »

Thank-you Matthew, for keeping things under control. Fk's ranting got old fast.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #31 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:06:45 PM »

I think that there's an enormous difference between saying "That's heretical." and "You're a heretic."--with the former preserving charity. Plus, unless you have an explicit dogmatic definition in support of your position, you should probably preface your remarks with "It seems to me ..." or "I think ...".

Ladislaus · « **Reply #32 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:11:57 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Ladislaus
Does that mean I have to stop calling CM and fk formal heretics who will surely burn in hell?

No, it does not.

LOL. I just wrote that tongue-in-cheek, alluding to what those guys say about pretty much everyone else in this forum. Although, unfortunately, I'm sad for fk and CM, because I think that they might be going off the deep end. So in a sense it's not a laughing matter. There was a time in my life where I wasn't that far from where fk and CM are today. I started the process of backtracking when I realized how absurd it was that the Catholic Church had been reduced to about three people. God chastised me in His great mercy. I pray that He might also have mercy on fk and CM.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #33 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:20:20 PM »

Quote from: fkpagnanelli

ON WHAT GROUNDS DO YOU CLAIM THAT "POPE AUGUSTINE" IS NOT A CATHOLIC? Or do you claim that "Pope Augustine" is Catholic?

I suspect that most people would consider "Pope Augustine" to be rather unbalanced more than anything else. Unfortunately, though, his is in essence the very same affliction under which fk and CM also labor. If you can reject Benedict XV, Pius XI, and Pius XII, then why NOT also St. Pius V?

And I'm pretty sure there's something at least implicitly heretical in thinking you can become pope by epikeia.

Most pre V2 theologians would have claimed that rejection of St. Pius V would be heretical. But they would also have said the same of rejecting BXV, PXI, and PXII.

roscoe · « **Reply #34 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:23:45 PM »

Notice the above cracks re: MJ that are not mine.

I have major differences with Belloc but in this case I agree that Raoul and CM should be the next to go.

I trust von Pastor b4 the modern usurped Catholic Pedia.

Acc to Pastor( as has been noted numerous times only to fall on deaf ears), a condition of the settlement of the GWS was that one was left free to call either faction the True Pope. This is because it was a political schism( most around here are aware of this) and no heresies or homos were involved. Sorry if I can't remember chap and verse, but like the abolition of the 'veto' by Pius IX, it is a historical truth.

I agree with Ladislaus and if anyone is paying attention, I have tended to use words like heretical or engaging in heresy instead of shouting heretic all over the place.

To bad that Matthew has no time to deal with my contentions re: sspx.