Quote from: JohnGrey

There's also the fact that the Prophecy of the Popes, though attributed to St. Malachy (who died in 1148), has no historical record before 1590 and was considered by many to be a forgery.  Among these, was the noted Spanish monk and Thomist Benito Jeronimo Feijóo who posited that the spurious docuмent was created to help the election Girolamo Simoncelli to the pontificate, the reason being that up till Urban VII (whose papacy ended in 1590), the descriptions related to each pope (and even antipopes), were clear and unambiguous.  Thereafter, it required the sort of bending that you seem to be employing with the Angelic Pope prophecy.

theres reason to be skeptical about it existing before 1590. Doesn't mean that it didn't exits before then.

How do you explain the fulfillment of this prophecy after 1590?

Aside from a total want in the Irish tradition regarding the prophecy, even from Malachy's biographer, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, there are many problems with work as a whole.  First, there's the issue that the prophecy's content, from Celestine II to Paul IV (reigned 1555 - 1559), bears remarkable similarity to Panvinio's Epitome Pontificuм Romanorum a S. Petro usque ad Paulum IIII, which was published in...wait for it...1557.  Indeed, in virtually every case where the latter publishes the arms of a Pontiff, the "prophecy" refers to some aspect of it, otherwise, it references some other piece of biographical information.  Then there's the fact that Arnold de Wion, the Benedictine author of the Lignum Vitæ in which the "prophecy" was first published, admits that its elaboration was entirely the work of Dominican scholar Alfonso Chacón, and that the original was just a list of Latin phrases.  It was Chacón who applied them to particular popes.

For a more in-depth critique of the Prophecy, I'd suggest reading An Historical and Critical Account of the So-Called Prophecy of St. Malachy Regarding the Succession of Popes by Fr. M.J. O'Brien.

As many of you may be aware, there is a priest in Croatia by the name of Father Zlatko Sudac. Some believe He is a very strong candidate for the Angelic Pope. I second that.

He carries the Stigmata in the form of a cross on his forehead. There is another priest who claims this (Giorgio Bongiovanni) but I'm pretty sure He is a hoax. You would agree with me if you knew about the things He preaches (i.e. Extraterrestrials and some sins being harder for God to forgive than others). Anyways, the Stigmata has never been received on the forehead like this before...

...If the Novus Ordo was really what you all say it is, then why would someone of the Novus Ordo receive the stamp of approval from God in the form of the Stigmata?

Furthermore, this may be evidence that Vatican II was legit.

It sounds like he's got a "sign" that already has a pretty bad rap.

How about this hoax...

                         

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

As many of you may be aware, there is a priest in Croatia by the name of Father Zlatko Sudac. Some believe He is a very strong candidate for the Angelic Pope. I second that.

He carries the Stigmata in the form of a cross on his forehead. There is another priest who claims this (Giorgio Bongiovanni) but I'm pretty sure He is a hoax. You would agree with me if you knew about the things He preaches (i.e. Extraterrestrials and some sins being harder for God to forgive than others). Anyways, the Stigmata has never been received on the forehead like this before. Now consider the following prophecy...

"The Pope will go over the sea carrying the sign of redemption on his forehead, and after the victory of the Pope and the Great Monarch, peace will reign on earth."
(Abbot Werdin d'Ortante, 13th century)

This would be just one bit of evidence that supports the theory that the Great Monarch is alive today with Father Sudac being the one to fulfill this prophecy. There are other bits of evidence (i.e. the Pahlavi Dynasty fulfilling Daniel 11:2). Plus all of the Middle East being upset with the Western World, and how eventually they will attempt to conquer Europe in order to spread Islam.

Anyways, I want to point out that Father Sudac is Novus Ordo. How do I know this? Because of the following interview...

http://www.stjeromecroatian.org/eng/frsudac.html

This article point out that Father Sudac has been investigated and confirmed as a true Stigmatic. If the Novus Ordo was really what you all say it is, then why would someone of the Novus Ordo receive the stamp of approval from God in the form of the Stigmata?

Furthermore, this may be evidence that Vatican II was legit.

Why are you so fixated with this "Father" Sudac?
The title of this thread is What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism...

It is clear that whatever the wise men on this thread answer you come back to this unsubstantiated prophecy of Malachy and try to fit this poor fellow into the role of future pope. Your obsession with him is blinding you. That is what is preventing you from considering Traditionalism...

Besides,carrying the sign of redemption on his forehead does not equate with the stigmata.

Instead of following these mapcap prophecies, you ought to read the teachings of the saints, the early Church Fathers, the history of the Church, The Scriptures. You are grasping at straws when you could be grasping a good strong rope and being pulled aboard.

How's your prayer life? Do you attend charismatic prayer meetings?

I think there is enough evidence that He is alive. Its possible He isn't but more likely he is. Your not required to believe that, but i see it as something to celebrate. It will show that the Catholic Faith is the true faith. It will mark a bad time for wicked people however..since most of them will be devoured by demons during the 3 days of darkness. Can't wait for that as well. So thats another reason I suppose. I would say the people who do not live by logic are the wicked ones.

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Why are you so fixated with this "Father" Sudac?
The title of this thread is What is preventing me from considering Traditionalism...

It is clear that whatever the wise men on this thread answer you come back to this unsubstantiated prophecy of Malachy and try to fit this poor fellow into the role of future pope. Your obsession with him is blinding you. That is what is preventing you from considering Traditionalism...

Besides,carrying the sign of redemption on his forehead does not equate with the stigmata.

Instead of following these mapcap prophecies, you ought to read the teachings of the saints, the early Church Fathers, the history of the Church, The Scriptures. You are grasping at straws when you could be grasping a good strong rope and being pulled aboard.

How's your prayer life?

Do you attend charismatic prayer meetings?

I think there is enough evidence that He is alive. Its possible He isn't but more likely he is. Your not required to believe that, but i see it as something to celebrate. It will show that the Catholic Faith is the true faith. It will mark a bad time for wicked people however..since most of them will be devoured by demons during the 3 days of darkness. Can't wait for that as well. So thats another reason I suppose. I would say the people who do not live by logic are the wicked ones.

What's with the capital H in "I think there is enough evidence that He is alive."? Have you deified this fellow?

If you need him to "show that the Catholic Faith is the true faith." then you really are in a bad way.

Why don't you answer my questions? I have coloured them for you.

Not for me. For everyone else. Plus he will create the era of peace. the wicked will be destroyed. all the people who make my life a living hell will probably be destroyed (consumed by demons i might add) unless they repent. it will be a prosperous time for everyone. people will see eye to eye on things more often because a large portion of the world's population will convert to Catholicism. I imagine that people will fall in love, and get married without other people trying to stand in the way of that. I just see a lot of good coming out of it all. People will probably be a lot happier in this time, and face little to no adversity. The Great Monarch's Kingdom will be similar to the Kingdom of Heaven only it being on earth. What's not to look forward to with that in mind?