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Offline Neil Obstat

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Why do people worship things that dont exist?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 07:51:50 PM »
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  • But regarding the title of this thread, "Why do people worship things that
    don't exist," you ought to run into others who might not be able to put it
    into words, but who will consider your question ridiculous, because it is in
    diametrical opposition to their own reality.  To them, the mere fact that
    they worship something (they might not be willing to admit that they
    worship the thing you accuse them of worshiping) is in itself proof that the
    thing exists.  This is in regards to the existence of the thing in question.

    The simple reason for this is, that their act of believing in its existence is
    the cause of its existence, per se. This is a direct outgrowth of
    modern philosophy, which proclaims the first principle of being - which is
    actually a false principle, but no matter to them, for they believe it - that
    'reality is in the mind,' and therefore if I (for example) believe that A exists,
    then my belief of A's existence, in and of itself, evokes the existence of A.
    This means that A is in my mind as a subjective reality, and therefore A
    exists in my mind, and since reality is in the mind, A has a real being, in
    my mind, and nothing you or anyone else says about it will change that
    reality.

    As such, if I so choose (for example) to hold A in very high esteem, such that
    I give it a priority higher than everything else in the universe, even if I refuse
    to admit that I am worshiping A, I have a right to believe what I want about A,
    regardless of what you think.  And then, along comes this thread, accusing me
    of worshiping something that does not exist, and I can then (for example)
    claim that you are being rediculous, because A does exist, even though you
    claim it does not exist, and also, I do not 'worship' A as you claim, and
    therefore you are wrong on two counts in your question, "Why do you
    worship something that does not exist?"

    Therefore, one of the possible answers to your question is, that people do
    these kinds of things, and many other things, because of the false doctrine
    of modern philosophy that says, 'reality is in the mind.'



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    Why do people worship things that dont exist?
    « Reply #16 on: October 18, 2012, 09:22:21 AM »
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    Furthermore, I would like to inform everyone that I will no longer identify myself with the term 'Sede vacante'. My opinion on the matter (pertaining to Benedict XVI and his predecessors) shall be as follows: Sedes non opus est determinare.

    Can you tell me what "Sedes non opus est determinar" means?

    Thank you.

    The following is unrelated but as sedevacantist whenever I am asked what religion I am I unhesitatingly respond "Catholic".  That is it.  

    But I believe the term sede vacante is a very accurate term to describe the current situation.  Precise and clear.  It is not like I joined a religion where I must always believe the Chair is vaccant no matter what.  I'm a sedevacantist now for obvious reasons not because it is my religion.  

    I do get the point they make though.  They prefer to say they are a "wide-awake Catholic" and do not like to be labeled.  They also are tired of "isms" like sedevacantism.  But IMO that is not a reason to avoid a precise term.  

    Again that all may not be related to your text above.  But I like to blabber.


    Why are people noticing my signature only now? I've had it like this for months now.

    All it means is that the chair does not need to be determined. Does that mean I believe that Benedict is the pope? Of course not. All it means is that I'm choosing not to label myself as sedevacantist because I have the option of not doing so.  


    Thanks Daegus.

    The only reason why I did not notice was because I tend to lurk in the Crisis section and do not notice anything here.

    God bless you and keep close to Christ.  Pray for me.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church