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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: InfiniteFaith on January 24, 2015, 11:04:52 AM
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Is there an age limit for these vocations?
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I'm sure they all have some type of upper age limit but check the websites for the orders being considered. They usually say what the age guidelines are.
Marsha
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It will depend on the bishop.
If he wants to pay for the seminary for an old man, and thinks he'll get enough out of him to make it worth while, he can do it.
I hear in the archdiocese of LA that there's plenty of widower priests, who were married and raised a family and became priests after their spouses died.
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It will depend on the bishop.
If he wants to pay for the seminary for an old man, and thinks he'll get enough out of him to make it worth while, he can do it.
I hear in the archdiocese of LA that there's plenty of widower priests, who were married and raised a family and became priests after their spouses died.
My priest told me the upper limit is 30 years old. I'm gathering it may vary from diocese to diocese.
I don't know if I have a calling to this vocation. I am seriously thinking about it more than ever. I'm looking at my life now, and I am 31 years old and unmarried. Even if I wanted to get married (which I do) I do not have a good enough job to support a family. And even if I had a job and a family, there would be the persecution of the world to deal with. Which has been pretty severe in the past. If I ever had to deal with the same intensity of persecution that I have had to deal with in the past, then I don't think I would even enjoy my marriage. Plus I would fear that my anger would be vented on my family at times. Of course if I were comfortable in my job then there would be no problems. But my experience thus far is that dealing with people at work adds stress. The current job that I hold is not too bad, but I sense the same things I have run into in the past.
If I were to tell you that my past is following me around would you believe me? It seems like I am being stalked by my past mistakes. People seem to know things about me that they normally would not know. And yes it involves Jєωs.
I know that persecution is not a calling to the priesthood/brotherhood. But these vocations would allow for me to get back to the same level of faith that I once had. I have not been able to get back to where I was because the world seems to keep dragging me down.
Let me ask you since you were once a freemason. Do freemasons try to enslave people? Do they stalk people and try to control/manipulate them? I know this is off topic but I had to ask.
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I know that persecution is not a calling to the priesthood/brotherhood.
The priesthood/brotherhood will not protect you from persecution either. It might increase its severity. It is no escape from reality.
IF, still listening to heavy rock music? What does your spiritual life consist in? What spiritual reading do you do?
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I know that persecution is not a calling to the priesthood/brotherhood.
The priesthood/brotherhood will not protect you from persecution either. It might increase its severity. It is no escape from reality.
IF, still listening to heavy rock music? What does your spiritual life consist in? What spiritual reading do you do?
Lately I have not been listening to heavy rock music.
I pray every day and go to mass on a weekly basis.
How might I be persecuted as a monk? They live a life of solitude.
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Even with solitude, the devil still attacks through our intellect in the mind. The flesh, the world, and the devil will always be a challenge to sanctity, even moreso for priests and religious.
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Even with solitude, the devil still attacks through our intellect in the mind. The flesh, the world, and the devil will always be a challenge to sanctity, even moreso for priests and religious.
Thats why you counter his thoughts with positive/truthful thoughts. You tell yourself these things over and over again any time you encounter a sinful/evil thought.
If the positive/truthful thought is not coming to you then reflect on the issue that you are dealing with and the counsel of the Holy Spirit will instill the thoughts that you need in your mind.
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IF, thank you for answering my first two questions. (I'm pleased to hear you are not listening to rock music)
but what of the third question?
Your question/ comment "How might I be persecuted as a monk? They live a life of solitude." illustrates that your knowledge of the saints, especially those who were hermits or monks, is very limited.
That's why asked what are you reading. So what does your spiritual reading consist of?
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IF, thank you for answering my first two questions. (I'm pleased to hear you are not listening to rock music)
but what of the third question?
Your question/ comment "How might I be persecuted as a monk? They live a life of solitude." illustrates that your knowledge of the saints, especially those who were hermits or monks, is very limited.
That's why asked what are you reading. So what does your spiritual reading consist of?
Nothing. But please let me know what it is that they dealt with. It sounds to me like they dealt with more of a spiritual battle rather than one of the outside world.
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IF, thank you for answering my first two questions. (I'm pleased to hear you are not listening to rock music)
but what of the third question?
Your question/ comment "How might I be persecuted as a monk? They live a life of solitude." illustrates that your knowledge of the saints, especially those who were hermits or monks, is very limited.
That's why asked what are you reading. So what does your spiritual reading consist of?
Nothing. But please let me know what it is that they dealt with. It sounds to me like they dealt with more of a spiritual battle rather than one of the outside world.
IF, please take the time to read about St Anthony of the Desert. I am sure there are many other examples of monks and hermits who faced great persecution. It seems that when attempting to achieve sanctity they separate themselves from the world, such as in monasteries or hermitages; the battles of worldliness can be better kept at bay, but the deeper spiritual ones rage even harder. I am sure others here can give you more examples.
PS it is my opinion that if you want to grow in your Catholic life, you should always be reading some edifying book, such as about the lives of the saints or the writings of the Doctors of the Church etc. You will be surprised what good this does, even if it is only for 10 or 15 minutes a day.
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Buy it through Matthew:
Home page under the title CathInfo it says Click here to start your Amazon.com session so CathInfo gets credit!
Type St Antony of the Desert in the box and buy it, then read it. The authors name is St Athanasius. It's a great buy and you need to start reading.
It's cheap as chips and you won't get a better buy anywhere.
But please let me know what it is that they dealt with.
No! You must do your own work. Nobody else can breathe for you and nobody else can read for you. Just do it! It is essential for your spiritual growth.
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Buy it through Matthew:
Home page under the title CathInfo it says Click here to start your Amazon.com session so CathInfo gets credit!
Type St Antony of the Desert in the box and buy it, then read it. The authors name is St Athanasius. It's a great buy and you need to start reading.
It's cheap as chips and you won't get a better buy anywhere.
But please let me know what it is that they dealt with.
No! You must do your own work. Nobody else can breathe for you and nobody else can read for you. Just do it! It is essential for your spiritual growth.
I appreciate your advice. I don't see this as being a requirement for being a monk though. Perhaps I could read this material once I reach the monastery.
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Whether or not you join a monastery, you need to develop a spiritual life. Have you ever spent any time in a monastery? Have you ever been on retreat?
IF, if you cannot develop a taste for spiritual reading outside of a monastery, then I would say you are not fitted for a monastery.
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Do the Total Consecration to Jesus through Mary as prescribed by Louis de Montfort.
Also, read The Mystical City of God here, (http://www.themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm) or buy the volumes at Amazon so Matthew gets credit.
You should also read the Scriptures daily.
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Do the Total Consecration to Jesus through Mary as prescribed by Louis de Montfort.
Also, read The Mystical City of God here, (http://www.themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm) or buy the volumes at Amazon so Matthew gets credit.
You should also read the Scriptures daily.
*SAINT Louis de Montfort
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Whether or not you join a monastery, you need to develop a spiritual life. Have you ever spent any time in a monastery? Have you ever been on retreat?
IF, if you cannot develop a taste for spiritual reading outside of a monastery, then I would say you are not fitted for a monastery.
What would make me fit for the monastery would be the high level of Faith that I would achieve while being there. That what be the fuel that would keep me going. All the other stuff would help me get there.
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So when are you going, IF?
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Also, read The Mystical City of God here, (http://www.themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm)
That is one of David Hobson's many websites.
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Also, read The Mystical City of God here, (http://www.themostholyrosary.com/mystical-city.htm)
That is one of David Hobson's many websites.
Is that good or bad? I don't think I've ever heard of David Hobson.
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Is that good or bad? I don't think I've ever heard of David Hobson.
Hobson is one of the main proponents of the Siri thesis and the belief that there is a successor to Siri reigning in exile, hidden from the world. He claims that all Masses not offered in union with his secret hierarchy in exile are sinful. He has also been banned from this forum and Matthew told me that Hobson tried to ruin his life. He runs a number of websites, not all of which talk about the Siri thesis and the Pope in hiding. For example, he runs the website you linked, another website that has the Baltimore Catechism online, and a website about St. Gemma Galgani which I like.
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Is that good or bad? I don't think I've ever heard of David Hobson.
Hobson is one of the main proponents of the Siri thesis and the belief that there is a successor to Siri reigning in exile, hidden from the world. He claims that all Masses not offered in union with his secret hierarchy in exile are sinful. He has also been banned from this forum and Matthew told me that Hobson tried to ruin his life. He runs a number of websites, not all of which talk about the Siri thesis and the Pope in hiding. For example, he runs the website you linked, another website that has the Baltimore Catechism online, and a website about St. Gemma Galgani which I like.
I see. Thanks for letting me know !
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IF, please take the time to read about St Anthony of the Desert. ...
PS it is my opinion that if you want to grow in your Catholic life, you should always be reading some edifying book, such as about the lives of the saints or the writings of the Doctors of the Church etc. You will be surprised what good this does, even if it is only for 10 or 15 minutes a day.
I just "accidentally" came across a quote from St Athanasius, author of the Life of St Antony:
You will not see anyone who is really striving after his advancement who is not given to spiritual reading. And as to him who neglects it, the fact will soon be observed by his progress.
Food for thought, IF?
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Whether or not you join a monastery, you need to develop a spiritual life. Have you ever spent any time in a monastery? Have you ever been on retreat?
IF, if you cannot develop a taste for spiritual reading outside of a monastery, then I would say you are not fitted for a monastery.
What would make me fit for the monastery would be the high level of Faith that I would achieve while being there. That what be the fuel that would keep me going. All the other stuff would help me get there.
While I am no expert on monasteries, I believe that in order to be admitted, even on trial basis, you must impress the abbot that you are suitable, that you thirst for God and the monastic life. One sign of that is probably that you were interested enough to do basic reading on subjects that are related. Much of monastic life involves reading and contemplation. If you don't have the capacity for that, then you may need to either develop it or think of a different vocation in life. Maybe you should apply to be a tertiary first, and that would help you discern if you are on the right track.
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Into Great Silence, a docuмentary about Carthusian Monks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wZKYlHBEFc
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So when are you going, IF?
I'm giving it 6-9 months before I make a decision. Even then I don't know if I can. My priest told me age 30 is the upper limit. So I can't do it unless I can find another diocese that will tell me otherwise.
During that 6-9 months I am going to search for a better job. If I can't find something that pays at least $15/hour then I will probably do it. There is no sense in trying to raise a family on any less than that. I thought about going back into the military, but I don't think I can handle that again.
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Whether or not you join a monastery, you need to develop a spiritual life. Have you ever spent any time in a monastery? Have you ever been on retreat?
IF, if you cannot develop a taste for spiritual reading outside of a monastery, then I would say you are not fitted for a monastery.
What would make me fit for the monastery would be the high level of Faith that I would achieve while being there. That what be the fuel that would keep me going. All the other stuff would help me get there.
While I am no expert on monasteries, I believe that in order to be admitted, even on trial basis, you must impress the abbot that you are suitable, that you thirst for God and the monastic life. One sign of that is probably that you were interested enough to do basic reading on subjects that are related. Much of monastic life involves reading and contemplation. If you don't have the capacity for that, then you may need to either develop it or think of a different vocation in life. Maybe you should apply to be a tertiary first, and that would help you discern if you are on the right track.
I really like the tertiary idea.
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My priest told me age 30 is the upper limit.
Did you tell your priest you are 31? Maybe he's trying to let you down gently.
Besides, it is not your priest who decides such things. Each monastery/order has its own policy on age requirements and would be flexible in the case of someone who has a clear vocation.
Will getting a better job deter you from trying the monastic life? If so, be sure you do not have a vocation. You don't forego the call just because you get a better offer. There is no higher calling than to the priesthood/religious life.
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Whether or not you join a monastery, you need to develop a spiritual life. Have you ever spent any time in a monastery? Have you ever been on retreat?
IF, if you cannot develop a taste for spiritual reading outside of a monastery, then I would say you are not fitted for a monastery.
What would make me fit for the monastery would be the high level of Faith that I would achieve while being there. That what be the fuel that would keep me going. All the other stuff would help me get there.
While I am no expert on monasteries, I believe that in order to be admitted, even on trial basis, you must impress the abbot that you are suitable, that you thirst for God and the monastic life. One sign of that is probably that you were interested enough to do basic reading on subjects that are related. Much of monastic life involves reading and contemplation. If you don't have the capacity for that, then you may need to either develop it or think of a different vocation in life. Maybe you should apply to be a tertiary first, and that would help you discern if you are on the right track.
I wonder how many would adjust their admission criteria if you had a personal fortune?
Serious question. If they knew you had inherited, or stood to inherit several hundred million dollars what percentage of religious orders do you think my persuade themselves to accept you on a let's see what happens basis?
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Is this a novus ordo priest to whom you inquired about a vocation? In the novus ordo sect, many times, if the vocation director can see you're not a pervert (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ) or a modernist, but rather you adhere to tradition (which demands the question: why would you be inquiring to the novus ordo?), then he will deny you entrance to the seminary, monastery, order - whichever applies. Generally, they only recruit secret flamers, modernists, heretics and people who are false traditionalists who are easy to deceive.
Regarding the secret flamers, if the vocation director himself is a crypto-queer, then he'll most definitely know if the person inquiring about a vocation is a pervert, too, without the applicant admitting it. They have their innate "radars" that can detect others with the same grotesque dispositions or those with leniency to that abomination.
They'll don't want real men who lead and tell the truth, and who will defend the true Faith at all costs.
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My priest told me age 30 is the upper limit.
Did you tell your priest you are 31? Maybe he's trying to let you down gently.
Besides, it is not your priest who decides such things. Each monastery/order has its own policy on age requirements and would be flexible in the case of someone who has a clear vocation.
Will getting a better job deter you from trying the monastic life? If so, be sure you do not have a vocation. You don't forego the call just because you get a better offer. There is no higher calling than to the priesthood/religious life.
Maybe thats why I can't find a job. Perhaps God did not bless me with a job because He knew I would choose the monastic life someday.
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Is this a novus ordo priest to whom you inquired about a vocation? In the novus ordo sect, many times, if the vocation director can see you're not a pervert (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ) or a modernist, but rather you adhere to tradition (which demands the question: why would you be inquiring to the novus ordo?), then he will deny you entrance to the seminary, monastery, order - whichever applies. Generally, they only recruit secret flamers, modernists, heretics and people who are false traditionalists who are easy to deceive.
Regarding the secret flamers, if the vocation director himself is a crypto-queer, then he'll most definitely know if the person inquiring about a vocation is a pervert, too, without the applicant admitting it. They have their innate "radars" that can detect others with the same grotesque dispositions or those with leniency to that abomination.
They'll don't want real men who lead and tell the truth, and who will defend the true Faith at all costs.
This is an SSPX priest.
I told my priest that I had dealt with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ feelings in the past. I also told him that I had done a lot of healing in this area, and that I regularly have feelings towards women. Would this be an impediment to becoming a monk? I do sense this priest has a weird vibe towards me ever since I told him that.
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Is this a novus ordo priest to whom you inquired about a vocation? In the novus ordo sect, many times, if the vocation director can see you're not a pervert (ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ) or a modernist, but rather you adhere to tradition (which demands the question: why would you be inquiring to the novus ordo?), then he will deny you entrance to the seminary, monastery, order - whichever applies. Generally, they only recruit secret flamers, modernists, heretics and people who are false traditionalists who are easy to deceive.
Regarding the secret flamers, if the vocation director himself is a crypto-queer, then he'll most definitely know if the person inquiring about a vocation is a pervert, too, without the applicant admitting it. They have their innate "radars" that can detect others with the same grotesque dispositions or those with leniency to that abomination.
They'll don't want real men who lead and tell the truth, and who will defend the true Faith at all costs.
This is an SSPX priest.
I told my priest that I had dealt with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ feelings in the past. I also told him that I had done a lot of healing in this area, and that I regularly have feelings towards women. Would this be an impediment to becoming a monk? I do sense this priest has a weird vibe towards me ever since I told him that.
I was hoping for more than a thumbs down. So is it an impediment or no?
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Traditionally, disordered inclinations (whether in the past or not) are an absolute no go for seminary entrance.
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Traditionally, disordered inclinations (whether in the past or not) are an absolute no go for seminary entrance.
Are you sure about a past disordered inclination? Where does it state this?
I can understand about a present one.
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It will depend on the bishop.
If he wants to pay for the seminary for an old man, and thinks he'll get enough out of him to make it worth while, he can do it.
I hear in the archdiocese of LA that there's plenty of widower priests, who were married and raised a family and became priests after their spouses died.
My priest told me the upper limit is 30 years old. I'm gathering it may vary from diocese to diocese.
I don't know if I have a calling to this vocation. I am seriously thinking about it more than ever. I'm looking at my life now, and I am 31 years old and unmarried. Even if I wanted to get married (which I do) I do not have a good enough job to support a family. And even if I had a job and a family, there would be the persecution of the world to deal with. Which has been pretty severe in the past. If I ever had to deal with the same intensity of persecution that I have had to deal with in the past, then I don't think I would even enjoy my marriage. Plus I would fear that my anger would be vented on my family at times. Of course if I were comfortable in my job then there would be no problems. But my experience thus far is that dealing with people at work adds stress. The current job that I hold is not too bad, but I sense the same things I have run into in the past.
If I were to tell you that my past is following me around would you believe me? It seems like I am being stalked by my past mistakes. People seem to know things about me that they normally would not know. And yes it involves Jєωs.
I know that persecution is not a calling to the priesthood/brotherhood. But these vocations would allow for me to get back to the same level of faith that I once had. I have not been able to get back to where I was because the world seems to keep dragging me down.
Let me ask you since you were once a freemason. Do freemasons try to enslave people? Do they stalk people and try to control/manipulate them? I know this is off topic but I had to ask.
EDIT!!!!