Author Topic: Advice please (Read 6391 times)

JPaul · « **Reply #40 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:48:56 PM »

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So are you recommending that children being sent to public school refuse to attend school?

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Being employed is not the same thing as taking part to join in prayer or listening to a sermon by a heretic.

What if you are employed but don't take part in prayer? Are you saying that it is a sin, in of itself, for a Catholic to be employed at a Protestant church as a musician?

Being present at a Protestant (or Buddhist, or ____) service does not automatically mean that you actively participate in their heresy. For all all I know, a Catholic employed as an organist for a Protestant church could be praying the Rosary silently during the "pastor's" sermon instead of attentively listening.

I don't mean to be condescending. But the main issue of this thread is one close to my heart.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #41 on:** June 21, 2011, 03:55:37 PM »

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You can't practice your organ-playing skills at a Traditional Catholic Church?

Actually, no. Formerly, I was more liberal in giving out personal information over the web, but I've grown supsicious and more cautious. But let it be suffice to say that I am in a position when I hardly ever am able to even attend Holy Mass, let alone be emplyed at a traditional chapel.

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And working at an abortion clinic IS a sin and an evil.

I don't disagree. But being hired to come once a year (or whenever) to paint the walls or clean the toilets is not sinful (or is it?). Similarly, I am not a full time (or even part time) *member* of a Protestant church, but as an employee, I come at an appointed time weekly to perform a paid task. Tis but a business transaction - nothing more, nothing less.

Even coming once a year is ridiculous. An abortion clinic is full of evil. The only thing a Catholic should have to do with one is to stand outside and pray/protest.

JPaul · « **Reply #42 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:13:34 PM »

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I never suggested that he use the Novus Ordo as his Sunday obligation. Nor did I say that working at a Protestant service fulfills mine. Nor did I recommend him to attend the Novus Ordo. I recommended that he obey his parents.

Playing the organ (i.e., employing a talent) is not active participation. It would be a sin to receive or distribute Protestant communion, etc. I don't see how playing the organ at a Protestant church makes a theoretical someone think that the Protestant church is the true religion.

Being alive inside a Protestant church during their service and playing the organ for them doesn't (or at least shouldn't) make anyone in the pew feel that their religion is the right one. If that was scandal, then it would be scandal to even walk by a Protestant church because passersby might suspect that you are a member of that church. Its common knowledge that churches often employ people of different or no religion to be musicians.

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Well, I guess I should say if you're a Catholic then it IS a sin to be employed at a Protestant church.

Depends.

It breaks down this way,

1) Echoing SS, for a true Catholic it is sinful to play organ at heretical liturgies due to the fact that it is indeed a sin to endanger your faith by placing yourself willfully in a near occasion of that sin.

2) Now to clarify your understanding, playing an organ at a non-Catholic endevour which is outside of the Chuch is not equvilent to attending an un-Catholic and sacriledgious service within the percieved confines of the Catholic Church. You are in a quandry simply because you do not have a broad enough understanding of the Holy Faith and the Church's mind as it relates to these matters. As S.S. suggests access the posted links and research the pre-Vaticaan II Popes teaching on these subjects and that should go a long way to remedy your confusion.

JMJ

Vladimir · « **Reply #43 on:** June 21, 2011, 04:14:38 PM »

As you said, my own understanding of the Faith is limited, which is why I trust my priest when he tells me that it is not sinful to be employed by a Protestant church.

As far as "exposing" myself to the occasions of sin, etc - would be sinful for you to even walk outside when other people are around because you might overhear something sinful, etc?

Where do you work? I'd almost be certain that if it wasn't an overtly traditional Catholic employer you would be exposed to the same amount, if not more, of occasions of sin as I am when I am in the workplace.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #44 on:** June 21, 2011, 08:14:14 PM »

Do you even attend a Traditional chapel? Because I know the SSPX says not to attend a Protestant service unless it's a wedding or funeral, and even in that circuмstance they say you shouldn't participate in their prayers. So that being said, I'd find it hard to believe that an SSPX priest would tell you it's ok to play the organ at a Protestant church. There's no way you can do that without being subjected to the temptations of becoming a Protestant.

No, it's not a sin to walk outside just because you MIGHT hear something such as cussing or gossip, but it isn't a sin to hear that unless you want to. You're drawing hyperbole conclusions from our posts. What we're saying is that you shouldn't subject yourself to people who deny the Church of Christ.