Author Topic: Advice please (Read 3226 times)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2011, 04:24:06 PM »

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There was no discussion on theology, no disagreement, only that they are fine with my opinion.

Good.

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I may have been making a mountain out of an anthill, and going about it in the wrong way initially (trying to discuss specific theology), but they are fine with my opinion (as they usually are when I have a strong stance on some belief). I feel great!

DROP that rock -- you were right, not making a mountain...etc. IMO, from the little I know, you have handled this most admirably.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2011, 04:45:37 PM »

I'll shed some insight here. First of all, regarding the father's commands becoming null when wrong (happy Father's Day, by the way). Take it from a guy like me who had to dis-obey alot of the commands from his Protestant father. It is true that the father is the head of the household, and as my parish priest said today it is up to them to handle to finances, decide where the family goes to Church, etc. However, that being said, when your father tells you to attend a service created by Freemasons, his command becomes null. It's not a sin to dis-obey your parents if they tell you something you KNOW is wrong. So when my Protestant dad tried to get me to go to church with him, I had two options. Either obey him and go, or say "Heck no, I'm Catholic and will not go to a Protestant service!". I think you can guess which option I chose.

As far as the Novus Ordo fulfilling one's Sunday Obligation, that depends. Those who don't know the NO is wrong and don't know the history of Vatican II (like how it was infiltrated by Freemasons) are still meeting their Sunday Obligation by attending as long as they have every intention of pleasing God. On the other hand, those who know the NO is wrong but continue to go without care are not meeting their Sunday Obligation because they clearly don't care about pleasing God, they only care about doing what is most conveniant or satisfying for them. So my advice is not to go to the NO no matter how much your parents try to convince you of going. I hope this helps you.

Have a Blessed Sunday and God Bless.

Sigismund · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2011, 06:05:04 PM »

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Throughout the realm and history of Christiandom, there have been many illustrious bloodlines. Unfortunately these same families have produced some black sheep. They have names like Theophylact, Gaetani, Medici, Pallavicini etc. It seems your family is no exception.

So, are you saying he is the black sheep of his family?

Oh, come on!

There is absolutely no reason for ANYONE to have disliked this utterly innocuous post. Whoever you are , you are simply making yourself look foolish. And yes, I DID like it to counterbalance you dislike, and will do so in the future as well anytime it is this obviously personal.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:25:00 PM »

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Throughout the realm and history of Christiandom, there have been many illustrious bloodlines. Unfortunately these same families have produced some black sheep. They have names like Theophylact, Gaetani, Medici, Pallavicini etc. It seems your family is no exception.

So, are you saying he is the black sheep of his family?

Oh, come on!

There is absolutely no reason for ANYONE to have disliked this utterly innocuous post. Whoever you are , you are simply making yourself look foolish. And yes, I DID like it to counterbalance you dislike, and will do so in the future as well anytime it is this obviously personal.

I think GV made that remark simply because he and roscoe don't get along.

Vladimir · « **Reply #19 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:04:53 PM »

Even if Novus Ordo is not Catholic. There is no sin to attend it. So you must obey your parents if they make you.

You could even attend a Protestant service (or even play the organ for one) and it would not be a sin.

Ask any priest. It is only a sin to actively participate.

So if in the future your parents make you go to the New Mass - you must obey.

and if that is the case, take heart - "your sorrow shall be turned into joy".

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2011, 09:48:38 PM »

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I think GV made that remark simply because he and roscoe don't get along.

He was talking about the actions of my ever-active anti-fan club, not roscoe.

I was just playing with my old, weed-smoking friend. Neither of us, as far as I know, had given the other the thumbs down. That is the domain of the Emoting Maniacs whose insatiable appetites know no bounds of time, reason, or decency. If g_v posted it, it MUST be voted DOWN...LOL! No biggie. I am a big boy and have used their own hatred against them. Tis pathetic, really. Please, go about you biz...ignoring their childishness...

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2011, 09:55:09 AM »

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Even if Novus Ordo is not Catholic. There is no sin to attend it. So you must obey your parents if they make you.

You could even attend a Protestant service (or even play the organ for one) and it would not be a sin.

Ask any priest. It is only a sin to actively participate.

So if in the future your parents make you go to the New Mass - you must obey.

and if that is the case, take heart - "your sorrow shall be turned into joy".

No, that it not correct. The SSPX says it is a sin to attend a Protestant service if you are Catholic. Also, your parents' command(s) become null if they advise you to attend the NO.

JPaul · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2011, 11:15:34 AM »

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Quote from: Vladimir
Even if Novus Ordo is not Catholic. There is no sin to attend it. So you must obey your parents if they make you.

You could even attend a Protestant service (or even play the organ for one) and it would not be a sin.

Ask any priest. It is only a sin to actively participate.

So if in the future your parents make you go to the New Mass - you must obey.

and if that is the case, take heart - "your sorrow shall be turned into joy".

No, that it not correct. The SSPX says it is a sin to attend a Protestant service if you are Catholic. Also, your parents' command(s) become null if they advise you to attend the NO.

e Church forbids Her children from participating in anything which represent a danger to one's faith. She forbids taking part in heretical assemblies and non-Catholic services. And you are correct, a command which is given, even by a lawful authority, can and must be refused if it represents a similar danger or contradicts the higher authority of the Church.

JMJ

Vladimir · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2011, 03:40:00 PM »

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Even if Novus Ordo is not Catholic. There is no sin to attend it. So you must obey your parents if they make you.

You could even attend a Protestant service (or even play the organ for one) and it would not be a sin.

Ask any priest. It is only a sin to actively participate.

So if in the future your parents make you go to the New Mass - you must obey.

and if that is the case, take heart - "your sorrow shall be turned into joy".

No, that it not correct. The SSPX says it is a sin to attend a Protestant service if you are Catholic. Also, your parents' command(s) become null if they advise you to attend the NO.

Are you sure? Ask your (SSPX) priest is it is sinful to passively attend a Protestant service?

I have asked 2 priests if it is a sin to be employed as a musician for a Protestant church (either for pay or without pay) and both have said no. So I don't see how it can be sinful to attend the NO esp. if your parents command you to. You don't have to receive Communion.

@J.Paul - emphasis on "taking part".

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2011, 03:52:26 PM »

I'm surprised that you cannot seem to comprehend why it is sinful to attend a Protestant service. They do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus! They are a bunch of heretics and their service is an insult to God. The SSPX web-site says one should not attend a Protestant service. As far as attending the Novus Ordo? I'll let Archbishop LeFebvre answer that:

"The Novus Ordo Missae, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, is empregnated with the spirit of Protestantism...it bears within it a poison harmful to the Faith".

Regarding obeying your parents if they want you to attend the NO, the Bible says that if an angel of light were to preach something against the truth you are allowed to dis-obey. So would the same not apply to dis-obeying your parents? It's common sense.

Vladimir · « **Reply #25 on:** June 20, 2011, 04:12:30 PM »

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I'm surprised that you cannot seem to comprehend why it is sinful to attend a Protestant service. They do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus! They are a bunch of heretics and their service is an insult to God. The SSPX web-site says one should not attend a Protestant service.

Agree with the bold.
employed or attending doesnt = believing/participating/promulgating

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As far as attending the Novus Ordo? I'll let Archbishop LeFebvre answer that:

"The Novus Ordo Missae, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, is empregnated with the spirit of Protestantism...it bears within it a poison harmful to the Faith".

I agree.

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Regarding obeying your parents if they want you to attend the NO, the Bible says that if an angel of light were to preach something against the truth you are allowed to dis-obey. So would the same not apply to dis-obeying your parents? It's common sense.

It isn't an issue when you are no longer a minor. but when you are still under their rule...

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #26 on:** June 20, 2011, 04:15:23 PM »

Attending is a sin because you are submitting yourself to their heretical services.

Vladimir · « **Reply #27 on:** June 20, 2011, 04:34:56 PM »

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Attending is a sin because you are submitting yourself to their heretical services.

Explain.

Is it also a sin in your opinion for children to obey parents that send them to public school, which exposes them to far worse things than the Novus Ordo or even a Protestant service?

JPaul · « **Reply #28 on:** June 20, 2011, 07:49:47 PM »

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Are you sure? Ask your (SSPX) priest is it is sinful to passively attend a Protestant service?

I have asked 2 priests if it is a sin to be employed as a musician for a Protestant church (either for pay or without pay) and both have said no. So I don't see how it can be sinful to attend the NO esp. if your parents command you to. You don't have to receive Communion.

@J.Paul - emphasis on "taking part".

Being employed is not the same thing as taking part to join in prayer or listening to a sermon by a heretic.

Even to be present at such goings on is a bad thing to do. Any priest who does not warn you about this is deficient in not doing so.
If you are there, and are exposed to un-Catholic words, interpretations of scripture, and essentially Protestantized rituals, you are in danger. We are not to look upon impure images and materials. Impurity and danger is to be found in false or corrupted liturgies as well. You cannot help seeing things that you should not see, and hearing things that a Catholic should not hear..

As an aside, the NO is in itself a sacrelidge. Being present(knowingly) at such is a sin.

JMJ

JPaul · « **Reply #29 on:** June 20, 2011, 07:51:06 PM »

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Attending is a sin because you are submitting yourself to their heretical services.

Explain.

Is it also a sin in your opinion for children to obey parents that send them to public school, which exposes them to far worse things than the Novus Ordo or even a Protestant service?

Objectively, yes, absolutely.( for the parents to send a child to such schools).

You are to obey all lawful commands of your parents which don't endanger your piety or Faith.

JMJ