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The "meekness and flabbiness" that launched the Crusades, the Reconquista, the conquest of the new world, the resistance against the Ottoman Turks... What have the Japanese achieved that compares? What have the Mohammedans achieved?

This fool was an enemy of Christendom and was an embarassment to Europe and our people.

Islam had a superior culture than Christian Europe from the time of Mohammed's death to the discovery of the Americas by Columbus.

If you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, as is clearly the case, you should not comment.  You have never specified what standard of evaluation you use when you discuss "superior" cultures.  Superior at what ?  How ?  If you are talking about technology or access to and learned appreciation of pagan learning or complex civil and economic organisation, on all scores you are wrong to suppose that the Mohammedans were generally superior to Christian countries at any time period.  Even if it were the case (which, affirming so is incredibly controversial and contentious, by the way, since you appear to be entirely ignorant of the background of the issue), it would by no means be something that could be attributed to the religion founded by Mohammed.  

After all, the Arabs came across large and complex Graeco-Roman Christian and Persian Zoroastrian cities and institutions that were originally built and developed according to principles that are found and accessible in nature and which were further developed and perfected with the coming of Christianity (where applicable, especially in the West, where Christianity flourished).  The Mohammedans have ruined the vestiges of order and excellence in the East that they stumbled upon like the grave robbers they are.  Outside of mathematics and perhaps calligraphy, they have not developed or perfected any of the arts or accomplishments that they found in the Mediterranean or Central Asia after their tribal religion left the Arabian peninsula.  Where they have succeeded, they have done so not because of anything uniquely Islamic but largely in spite of their religion's spirit and vision and usually because of a reliance on pre-Islamic cultural traditions, the copying of foreign accomplishments (from China and Christendom), and largely with the assistance of non-Mohammedan artisans and professionals under their rule.

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Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

The "meekness and flabbiness" that launched the Crusades, the Reconquista, the conquest of the new world, the resistance against the Ottoman Turks... What have the Japanese achieved that compares? What have the Mohammedans achieved?

This fool was an enemy of Christendom and was an embarassment to Europe and our people.

Islam had a superior culture than Christian Europe from the time of Mohammed's death to the discovery of the Americas by Columbus.

If you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, as is clearly the case, you should not comment.  You have never specified what standard of evaluation you use when you discuss "superior" cultures.  Superior at what ?  How ?  If you are talking about technology or access to and learned appreciation of pagan learning or complex civil and economic organisation, on all scores you are wrong to suppose that the Mohammedans were generally superior to Christian countries at any time period.  Even if it were the case (which, affirming so is incredibly controversial and contentious, by the way, since you appear to be entirely ignorant of the background of the issue), it would by no means be something that could be attributed to the religion founded by Mohammed.  

After all, the Arabs came across large and complex Graeco-Roman Christian and Persian Zoroastrian cities and institutions that were originally built and developed according to principles that are found and accessible in nature and which were further developed and perfected with the coming of Christianity (where applicable, especially in the West, where Christianity flourished).  The Mohammedans have ruined the vestiges of order and excellence in the East that they stumbled upon like the grave robbers they are.  Outside of mathematics and perhaps calligraphy, they have not developed or perfected any of the arts or accomplishments that they found in the Mediterranean or Central Asia after their tribal religion left the Arabian peninsula.  Where they have succeeded, they have done so not because of anything uniquely Islamic but largely in spite of their religion's spirit and vision and usually because of a reliance on pre-Islamic cultural traditions, the copying of foreign accomplishments (from China and Christendom), and largely with the assistance of non-Mohammedan artisans and professionals under their rule.

THANK YOU!

Islamic culture was superior to Christendom at it's climax, in the most Catholic age? The age of the Gothic cathedrals that far outstrip the greatest mosques in beauty, grandeur, and technical excellence? The age of St. Bernard, St. Dominic, St. Francis, St. Thomas Aquinas? The age of St. Louis IX, St. Fernando III, Richard the Lionheart, Charlemagne? The age of the glorious heroics of the crusades and the reconquista? The age of Dante Alighieri? The age of the Pope as judge of kings and the social reign of Christianity?

The Islamic infidels had a "superior culture" to this? In what sense? You must be joking. That's a delusion that has been largely promoted by post-enlightenment anti-Catholics and swallowed hook, line and sinker by self-loathing Europeans ever since. Sad.

I am not a self-loathing European or whatever. Hell even Belloc admitted an Islamic culture, "For what the scholars of Baghdad did soon became the common property of their confreres at Cordova." I think Islam is barbaric and inferior to Christianity and I don't support any apology for the Crusades however these are historical truths that even Catholic authors like Belloc and Warren Caroll admit.

If you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, as is clearly the case, you should not comment.  You have never specified what standard of evaluation you use when you discuss "superior" cultures.  Superior at what ?  How ?  If you are talking about technology or access to and learned appreciation of pagan learning or complex civil and economic organisation, on all scores you are wrong to suppose that the Mohammedans were generally superior to Christian countries at any time period.  Even if it were the case (which, affirming so is incredibly controversial and contentious, by the way, since you appear to be entirely ignorant of the background of the issue), it would by no means be something that could be attributed to the religion founded by Mohammed.

Well one can definitely say that Muslim countries have fallen backwards now but I can borrow from Carroll, "Islam spread for seven hundred years until it had mastered the Balkans and the Hungarian plain, and all but occupied Europe itself through its early material and intellectual superiority." Meanwhile Europe was largely illiterate.

After all, the Arabs came across large and complex Graeco-Roman Christian and Persian Zoroastrian cities and institutions that were originally built and developed according to principles that are found and accessible in nature and which were further developed and perfected with the coming of Christianity (where applicable, especially in the West, where Christianity flourished).  The Mohammedans have ruined the vestiges of order and excellence in the East that they stumbled upon like the grave robbers they are.  Outside of mathematics and perhaps calligraphy, they have not developed or perfected any of the arts or accomplishments that they found in the Mediterranean or Central Asia after their tribal religion left the Arabian peninsula.  Where they have succeeded, they have done so not because of anything uniquely Islamic but largely in spite of their religion's spirit and vision and usually because of a reliance on pre-Islamic cultural traditions, the copying of foreign accomplishments (from China and Christendom), and largely with the assistance of non-Mohammedan artisans and professionals under their rule.

See even with this passage here you give credit to one of the world's oldest civilizations, China and even with the pagan accomplishments of the Romans and Greeks. By the way Rome persecuted Christians from the time of Christ's death to Constantine and was hardly an unsuccessful society either.

This again? I and others have already pointed out how Table Talks is about as plausible as the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

This again? I and others have already pointed out how Table Talks is about as plausible as the h0Ɩ0cαųst.

Funny how you all say this, but none of you provide the slightest shred of evidence.  

From "Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944: His Private Conversations"

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.  Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child.  Both are inventions of the Jew.  The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.  Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect.  It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance.  Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love.  Its key-note is intolerance.  Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam.  The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke.  Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

"Originally war was nothing but a struggle for pasture grounds.  Today war is nothing but a struggle for the riches of nature.  By virtue of an inherent law, these riches belong to him who conquers them.  The great migrations set out from the East.  With us begins the ebb, from West to East.  That's in accordance with the laws of nature.  By means of the struggle, the elites are continually renewed.

The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest.  Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature.  Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

"But for the coming of Christianity, who knows how the history of Europe would have developed?  Rome would have conquered all Europe, and the onrush of the Huns would have been broken on the legions.  It was Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome and not the Germans or the Huns."

"I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."

"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity."

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.  A negro with his tabus is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation. "

"The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which one of the essential reasons of their success, is due to having been saved in time from the views of Christianity.  Just as in Islam, there is no kind of terrorism in the Japanese State religion, but on the contrary, a promise of happiness This terrorism in religion is the product, to put it briefly, of a Jєωιѕн dogma, which Christianity has universalised and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men's minds."

This isn't all. Hitler's hatred for the Jews was only matched by his hatred for the the Christian civilization of Europe, the European nobility and the clergy of the Catholic Church. Read it.

Please, come up with first hand sources for once. I have quotes from books and speeches. You have something that came out after the war. I wonder what is more trustworthy. The same people who lie about Hitler are the same who worship Israel, lie about Iran, Palestine, Libya, Syria, etc.