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Adam and the animals
« on: August 05, 2009, 10:49:35 AM »
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  • Christians seem to have a terrible problem.A recent survey/research revealed that Christians were falling away or giving up the faith because having doubts themselves and not having been prepared to give answers to the children and adults of this worlds they themselves having doubts were easily misled and fell away[see 1Peter3:15 and Lk.16:8]-We must have a sound base and foundation and be sure that the Bible is not full of errors,contradictions,mistakes,lies or myths and fairytales and is even reliable and can be trusted where history and science are concerned - so if Adam named the animals were there Dinosaurs and Primates in the queue waiting to be named.If there were then humans and Dinosaurs and Primates existed at the same time.If there were not then humans existed before them - any comments - jimc


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    « Reply #1 on: August 05, 2009, 11:46:43 AM »
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  • What if dinosaurs were dragons?

    And what if lots of old bones are frauds?  Because many have been proven to be so.  

    That Theillhard Du Chardin, wasn't he involved in such a fraud?  Am I thinking of the right guy?


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    « Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 11:55:34 AM »
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    What if dinosaurs were dragons?

    And what if lots of old bones are frauds?  Because many have been proven to be so.  

    That Theillhard Du Chardin, wasn't he involved in such a fraud?  Am I thinking of the right guy?


    Yes Elizabeth you are right on all three - so were Dragons in the queue waiting to be named - jimc

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    « Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 11:59:40 AM »
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    We must have a sound base and foundation and be sure that the Bible is not full of errors,contradictions,mistakes,lies or myths and fairytales and is even reliable and can be trusted where history and science are concerned - so if Adam named the animals were there Dinosaurs and Primates in the queue waiting to be named. - jimc


    The Bible does not contain any errors or contradictions. That is not open for debate. No dogmas of the Faith are open for debate here. This is a Catholic forum.

    Are you even Catholic?
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    « Reply #4 on: August 05, 2009, 12:02:55 PM »
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  • I read that before the flood there was a huge water vapor canopy over the earth, which regulated temperature and prevented much more UV radiation from reaching the earth. As a corollary, much more of the earth was land at that time -- people could easily move from Europe to North America, for example, using only land routes.

    Less UV radiation meant less aging, which is one of the reasons why men used to be able to live 900 years *before the flood*.

    There might have been similar issues with gigantic beasts being able to survive pre-flood but not post-flood. It might be because of atmospheric pressure, etc.

    The largest creatures alive today are whales -- things under the sea. On land, they are crushed by their own weight. If there had been more atmospheric pressure pre-flood, I believe larger animals would have been possible.

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    « Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 12:20:34 PM »
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    I read that before the flood there was a huge water vapor canopy over the earth, which regulated temperature and prevented much more UV radiation from reaching the earth. As a corollary, much more of the earth was land at that time -- people could easily move from Europe to North America, for example, using only land routes.

    Less UV radiation meant less aging, which is one of the reasons why men used to be able to live 900 years *before the flood*.

    There might have been similar issues with gigantic beasts being able to survive pre-flood but not post-flood. It might be because of atmospheric pressure, etc.

    The largest creatures alive today are whales -- things under the sea. On land, they are crushed by their own weight. If there had been more atmospheric pressure pre-flood, I believe larger animals would have been possible.

    Matthew


    is that not what I said,seems to be the case for giantism so from this is it to be accepted that Adam was a giant - jimc

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    « Reply #6 on: August 05, 2009, 12:29:03 PM »
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    We must have a sound base and foundation and be sure that the Bible is not full of errors,contradictions,mistakes,lies or myths and fairytales and is even reliable and can be trusted where history and science are concerned - so if Adam named the animals were there Dinosaurs and Primates in the queue waiting to be named. - jimc


    The Bible does not contain any errors or contradictions. That is not open for debate. No dogmas of the Faith are open for debate here. This is a Catholic forum.

    Are you even Catholic?


    so what is the problem - I have stated and know only too well that the Church teaches and holds that the Bible is the innerant word of God,in all its parts and the literal and obvious sense and meaning must be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise[Pope Leo XIII - 1894 - Proventissimus Deus] - jimc

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    « Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 03:15:53 PM »
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    We must have a sound base and foundation and be sure that the Bible is not full of errors,contradictions,mistakes,lies or myths and fairytales and is even reliable and can be trusted where history and science are concerned - so if Adam named the animals were there Dinosaurs and Primates in the queue waiting to be named. - jimc


    The Bible does not contain any errors or contradictions. That is not open for debate. No dogmas of the Faith are open for debate here. This is a Catholic forum.

    Are you even Catholic?


    so what is the problem - I have stated and know only too well that the Church teaches and holds that the Bible is the innerant word of God,in all its parts and the literal and obvious sense and meaning must be accepted unless reason or necessity dictate otherwise[Pope Leo XIII - 1894 - Proventissimus Deus] - jimc


    Jim, if you are Catholic than you ARE sure that the Bible is not "full of errors, contradictions, mistakes, lies or myths, fairytales...."  Right?  

    Can you give me one passage/chapter of the Bible where you believe it to be a myth or fairytale?

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    « Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 03:24:37 PM »
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    Christians seem to have a terrible problem.A recent survey/research revealed that Christians were falling away or giving up the faith because having doubts themselves and not having been prepared to give answers to the children and adults of this worlds they themselves having doubts were easily misled and fell away[see 1Peter3:15 and Lk.16:8]-We must have a sound base and foundation and be sure that the Bible is not full of errors,contradictions,mistakes,lies or myths and fairytales and is even reliable and can be trusted where history and science are concerned - so if Adam named the animals were there Dinosaurs and Primates in the queue waiting to be named.If there were then humans and Dinosaurs and Primates existed at the same time.If there were not then humans existed before them - any comments - jimc


    Jimc, I have come across those statistics about teenagers falling away and from what I understand they are pertaining to Evangelicals and NO Catholics. These people don't really take their beliefs seriously, send their kids to public schools, don't lead as good examples, let their children become too much like the world, etc.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 03:35:13 PM »
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  • Teaching children that they are derived from monkeys is just

    a perfect example of why they just eventually give up.

    It puts a damper on the entire childhood experience.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 03:53:45 PM »
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    Christians seem to have a terrible problem.A recent survey/research revealed that Christians were falling away or giving up the faith because having doubts themselves and not having been prepared to give answers to the children and adults of this worlds they themselves having doubts were easily misled and fell away[see 1Peter3:15 and Lk.16:8]-We must have a sound base and foundation and be sure that the Bible is not full of errors,contradictions,mistakes,lies or myths and fairytales and is even reliable and can be trusted where history and science are concerned - so if Adam named the animals were there Dinosaurs and Primates in the queue waiting to be named.If there were then humans and Dinosaurs and Primates existed at the same time.If there were not then humans existed before them - any comments - jimc


    Jimc, I have come across those statistics about teenagers falling away and from what I understand they are pertaining to Evangelicals and NO Catholics. These people don't really take their beliefs seriously, send their kids to public schools, don't lead as good examples, let their children become too much like the world, etc.


    not at all - not ever,no way, never in all my long experience - they in fact absolutely accept that the Bible is the word of God and of course so should Catholics but not in my long experience - in fact if a similar survey/research were done among our Catholics teens the same results,I am sure and certain would be produced,for how could it be otherwise since our children have not been prepared to give an answer as commanded by our first Pope at 1Peter.3:15 to the children and adults of this world[Lk.16:8] - jimc