Author Topic: Act of Perfect Contrition (Read 15858 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2014, 09:53:39 AM »

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Good luck finding Novus Ordo priests over 70 years old who is willing, and able, to properly perform the judgment of your sins!

Whether they correctly judge your sins or not has nothing to do with whether they can validly administer the Sacrament.

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I wouldn't trust the validly of the schismatic Eastern rites unless in each particular case one investigates for positive evidence of validity.

On what grounds do you call the Eastern Rites "schismatic"? Are you confusing these with the "Orthodox"? You are expressing what's called negative doubt, i.e. "unless you positively establish its validity, then it's doubtful". Wrong. Quite to the contrary, there must be positive doubt before one is required to avoid the Sacrament. Quite a few even Sedevacantist groups have looked into the Eastern Rites and I know of no one who questions their validity.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:08:53 PM »

Do we know what is needed for a vaild absolution?

1 we must have contrition
2 we must confess our sins
3 the priest absolves us (the words needed for validity are according to catholic doctrine )
I absolve you of your sins in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost

simple

if a priest is sitting in the confessional ( :scratchchin:) then he has the disposition to hear confessions.

what is needed for priestly validity?

laying on of hands and as in every valid church ordination the words that say that the bishop is now calling the person in front of him a priest.

how long will hack theologians continue to call valid ordinations into question because of a conjunction?

the church never had the practice of investigating everything all the time or to paint with a broad brush whole groups of people

when did it become catholic to assume the bad intent of the whole episcopacy and priesthood of the church in every action.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2014, 01:46:38 PM »

yeah thumb it down the question asked was simple originally, about perfect contrition and devolved quickly into what priest could hear confession.

honestly only real mind benders could turn one of the two ways to right our soul after shipwreck (to quote Trent) into freaking mental gymnastics.

baptism: just add water, we may need to hold you under a little longer to get that stain out :roll-laugh1:

penance: add sorrow and a priest (ouzo optional)

confederate catholic · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2014, 02:15:15 PM »

wow still thumbed down i thought the cat would have swayed you :roll-laugh1:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2014, 03:21:21 PM »

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Good luck finding Novus Ordo priests over 70 years old who is willing, and able, to properly perform the judgment of your sins!

Whether they correctly judge your sins or not has nothing to do with whether they can validly administer the Sacrament.

It matters, because the Novus Ordo got themselves to the point where hell doesn't exist, those that do believe in it, many hardly think mortal sin is possible. They only have a few things on their lists, like genocide, nuclear war, etc. You would have to insist before hand that you deserve absolution, what words to say exactly, and how to move the hand in absolution, or whatever is necessary. Best to stay away completely.

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I wouldn't trust the validly of the schismatic Eastern rites unless in each particular case one investigates for positive evidence of validity.

On what grounds do you call the Eastern Rites "schismatic"? Are you confusing these with the "Orthodox"? You are expressing what's called negative doubt, i.e. "unless you positively establish its validity, then it's doubtful". Wrong. Quite to the contrary, there must be positive doubt before one is required to avoid the Sacrament. Quite a few even Sedevacantist groups have looked into the Eastern Rites and I know of no one who questions their validity.

I thought you were only speaking of schismatic Eastern rite priests.

As to the uniate (Catholic) Eastern rites, they are in union with Ecuмenical Rome, under its authority, and have undergone lots of changes, though not so extreme as with the Western rites. Nevertheless, like in the States, some have more changes than others. One good reason is enough to produce a positive doubt. And here is good reason. So each case should be looked into for positive evidence of validity.

There aren't enough facepalms in the world for you, Nado.