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Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2014, 12:48:31 PM »
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    Playing with pretty colors now, isn't he a big boy!


     :roll-laugh1:

    do you think he ever actually reads before he posts?



    I don't know, I think he at least reads who posted so he knows who he is aiming at. Beyond that, I'm still trying to convince myself that he is a he and not a she.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #46 on: December 19, 2014, 12:49:42 PM »
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     :popcorn:


    LOL
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #47 on: December 19, 2014, 01:00:16 PM »
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    "with the commitment of actually going to receive the Sacrament from a priest. Therefore, the obligation to confess remains and hopefully one does not die before receiving absolution since true sorrow may suffice for venial sins but most likely not so for mortal sin."


    "it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible."


    Why do you go out of your way to mess up the entire thread with your bewildered replies?

    You make it your mission to take everything out of context - - - to avoid doing that, put the below snip in whatever color you think it should be in - but put it where it belongs in your above pretty color quote:

    Quote from: Cantarella
    Therefore, the obligation to confess remains


    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #48 on: December 24, 2014, 02:44:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cantarella
    When the Church baptizes a convert from Protestantism, she uses a conditional formula, which means that in the time span of some five centuries, she still has not decided whether the Apostolic succession ceased in those heretical sects and the sacraments administrated in them are valid or not.


    While I agree with your main point, it should be mentioned that the baptizer does not have to be a priest, or even a Christian to baptize validly. So this really has nothing to do with Apostolic Succession.

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    « Reply #49 on: December 24, 2014, 02:50:44 AM »
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    If the Act of Perfect Contrition forgives sins without a doubt, then why the need to go to confession as soon as possible?


    Because a key part of the Act of Contrition is the resolve to go to Confession. If you don't resolve to confess your sins as soon as possible, you haven't made a perfect Act of Contrition.


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    « Reply #50 on: December 24, 2014, 09:05:37 AM »
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  • Have you read the booklet by Fr. Lehmkuhl, dear 2Vermont? I read it a few years ago, and can't recall anything wrong in it. It suggests many practical ways in which, with the help of prayer and God's grace, we can achieve perfect contrition for all our past sins, not only as one individual act, but have a deep and lasting sorrow of heart for having offended God, who is infinitely worthy of love, thus strengthening ourselves against future falls into sin.

    Some other posters have already mentioned some reasons - attrition or imperfect contrition suffices in the confessional, whereas contrition is necessary outside it. And attrition (supernatural sorrow of heart arising from fear of hell or consideration of the loss of heaven) is much easier than contrition (supernatural sorrow of heart arising from having offended God and purely for having grieved His Infinite Goodness). Contrition, however, is not unattainable provided only we meditate often on the infinite benevolence of God, the immeasurable pain it cost Jesus on the Cross to bear our sins and suffer humiliation for our sake, the infinite love with which He nonetheless suffered, the countless labors of His holy life right from His birth in a poor manger, the insults and blasphemies He patiently bore on the Cross while His hands and feet were pierced etc. We can also meditate on the pains Mary endured with Him, the great pangs of sorrow that pierced the Blessed Mother's Immaculate Heart, that She suffered more than all martyrs have suffered, at the thought and sight of what our sins were doing to Her Son, while She nonetheless offered Him out of love for us to God etc. These thoughts will drive us to true love of God and obtain contrition for our sins.

    There can be no true contrition or perfect love of God unless there is included in it the desire to fulfill all of God's commandments, which includes going to confession as soon as that is reasonably possible to us, given the circuмstances. In contrition, we unite our will to God's by love, and desire to do all that He desires. Consequently, someone who excludes this desire or dismisses this obligation can never hope to have true contrition.

    Finally, there are some other special graces that are reserved to the actual sacrament, like deeper knowledge and light to discover our past sins, a more abundant grace that provides help and strength for avoiding sin in the future, and even a greater remission of the temporal punishment for our sins, which would otherwise have to be undergone in purgatory. And that brings us to a final reason to avail oneself of confession whenever it becomes possible to us even if we are perfectly contrite, which is this - contrition cannot usually be so great (without much effort and practice, and that is why it is very good in any case to cultivate and make a habit of contrition, as Fr. Lehmkuhl teaches below) as to obtain for us the remission of the entire debt of temporal punishment owed for our sins, which debt we have to pay in purgatory, if it is not remitted in this life. May God help and bless you in this time when the Sacraments are hard for you to come by.

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    WHAT EFFECTS DOES PERFECT CONTRITION PRODUCE?

    Some truly admirable effects! For the sinner, thanks to perfect contrition, he immediately receives forgiveness for each of his faults even before making his confession. Nevertheless, he must make a resolution to confess himself at an opportune time; of course, this resolution is included in perfect contrition. Every time he makes an act of perfect contrition, the pains of hell are immediately remitted, he recovers all his past merits, and he turns from being an enemy of God to being His son by adoption and co-heir to heaven.

    For the just man, perfect contrition enlarges and strengthens the state of grace. It erases the venial sins he has detested, and increases in him the true and sound love of God. Here are the marvelous effects of divine mercy in the soul of the Christian owing to perfect contrition.


    Anyway, a very Merry Christmas to you, 2Vermont, and to all.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #51 on: December 24, 2014, 09:37:54 AM »
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    Have you read the booklet by Fr. Lehmkuhl, dear 2Vermont? I read it a few years ago, and can't recall anything wrong in it.  


    The booklet is really just a 1905 essay by a priest, J De Driesch, who wrote it based on a personal religious experience he had. It was the foreward that was by Lehmkuhl. It managed to get an imprimatur, but I know at least by 1930 it no longer did. And then regained it, it appears in 1959 after Pius XII died.

    In any event, the essay contradicts the Catechism of the Council of Trent, and that should mean the most to anyone.


    It is your assertion that it contradicts the Catechism. To support it, please first of all produce the source that shows the Imprimatur was retracted or qualified in any sense. Also, Trent does not teach contrition is impossible to obtain, nor does the booklet say it is easy to obtain it. Both say there must be a proportion between the sins committed and the intensity of contrition required, "though even without tears its intensity should have some proportion to the sin or sins we have committed." St. Alphonsus and St. Francis De Sales have written similar works on contrition, I may post some excerpts later.
    "Never will anyone who says his Rosary every day become a formal heretic ... This is a statement I would sign in my blood." St. Montfort, Secret of the Rosary. I support the FSSP, the SSPX and other priests who work for the restoration of doctrinal orthodoxy and liturgical orthopraxis in the Church. I accept Vatican II if interpreted in the light of Tradition and canonisations as an infallible declaration that a person is in Heaven. Sedevacantism is schismatic and Ecclesiavacantism is heretical.

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    « Reply #52 on: December 24, 2014, 09:50:49 AM »
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  • Honestly, 2Vermont, you need to widen your perspective on acceptable options for Confession.  I find it very hard to believe that there isn't a Novus Ordo priest who was ordained before about 1968 somewhere near you.  There are literally several dozen such priests floating around the vicinity of Cleveland, OH.


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    « Reply #53 on: December 24, 2014, 09:52:11 AM »
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    ....... St. Alphonsus and St. Francis De Sales have written similar works on contrition, I may post some excerpts later.


    I would be very grateful if you did, dear Nishant.

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    « Reply #54 on: December 24, 2014, 11:34:48 AM »
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    Honestly, 2Vermont, you need to widen your perspective on acceptable options for Confession.  I find it very hard to believe that there isn't a Novus Ordo priest who was ordained before about 1968 somewhere near you.  There are literally several dozen such priests floating around the vicinity of Cleveland, OH.


    Well, that's Cleveland.  This is not.  I'm telling you (whether you wish to believe it or not) that if there are any NO priests ordained pre-1968, then they have long retired/are not active/are dead.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #55 on: December 24, 2014, 11:58:16 AM »
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    Honestly, 2Vermont, you need to widen your perspective on acceptable options for Confession.  I find it very hard to believe that there isn't a Novus Ordo priest who was ordained before about 1968 somewhere near you.  There are literally several dozen such priests floating around the vicinity of Cleveland, OH.


    Well, that's Cleveland.  This is not.  I'm telling you (whether you wish to believe it or not) that if there are any NO priests ordained pre-1968, then they have long retired/are not active/are dead.


    Sure, many have retired, but you can often find them in the retirement homes, and many of them actually in Cleveland live in private residences.  I wonder if your diocese has a "Directory of Clergy" somewhere.  Cleveland has a great one that includes date of ordination and current residence.


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    « Reply #56 on: December 28, 2014, 11:15:19 PM »
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  • i kind of think of nado like hobbes here  :laugh2:




    and we know who that is  :jester:
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    « Reply #57 on: December 29, 2014, 12:07:29 AM »
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  • Why would anyone in his right mind approach it as if it were anything but the most difficult and doubtful possibility in the whole world?

    I'm not going to "phone it in" on anything this dire and dreadful of consequences.


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    « Reply #58 on: January 05, 2015, 07:36:33 AM »
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    i kind of think of nado like hobbes


    Does this mean that you reject what the Catechism of the Council of Trent says about it being difficult?

    If you do, the Hobbes is on you.


    What about the opinion of St. Charles Borromeo, mentioned in an earlier post (in the same book):

    "It will not be out of place to call to mind here what St. Charles Borromeo taught his penitents when they went to Confession. 'Do you wish,' he used to say, 'to know an easy way of exciting yourselves to true sorrow for your sins? Make three little visits-the first above, the second below, the third in the middle. Your visit up above will show you Paradise, which you have renounced for some empty pleasure, for some sinful thought, or word or act. The displeasure that will arise in your heart at the thought of this loss will be good attrition, or imperfect contrition, and in Confession will suffice to wash away your sins.

    'Your visit below will show you that frightful place in which you would be now if God had exercised His justice- that place where you would for ever suffer the torment of fire, far from your true home, which is Heaven. The sorrow arising from this consideration is also excellent, and sufficient in Confession.

    'Your third visit will show you Christ crucified and dying for you on Calvary amid pains and insults of every description. The knowledge that the Crucified One is Infinite Goodness Itself, your greatest Benefactor, Whom, instead of loving, you have insulted and crucified, will awaken in your heart sentiments of love and sorrow that will wipe away your sins even before you enter the confessional.'

    Dear reader, remember these three visits of St. Charles, not only when you go to Confession, but each time you wish to excite yourself to Perfect Contrition."
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop

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    « Reply #59 on: January 05, 2015, 08:15:27 PM »
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  • i said getting baptised and making your confession is easy ......nice try



    try answering any of the questions raised

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