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Offline ihsv

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Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2019, 02:38:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 02:15:25 PM
    There are Feeneyites among "The Resistance" and this forum?

    Yes.  

    We're everywhere.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #31 on: February 08, 2019, 03:11:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 02:08:46 PM
    How do you explain the Holy Innocents, then?
    Geremia, you have asked about the Holy Innocents on various forums and have gotten proper, CATHOLIC responses.  You just don't want to believe them.  The Holy Innocents can NOT be compared with aborted babies.

    I'm not a "Feeneyite" and I completely agree with all of the posters here on this topic.  And it bothers me that there hasn't been anyone else to join in against Geremia's need to get aborted babies to Heaven.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #32 on: February 08, 2019, 04:22:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on February 08, 2019, 03:11:36 PM
    I'm not a "Feeneyite" and I completely agree with all of the posters here on this topic.  And it bothers me that there hasn't been anyone else to join in against Geremia's need to get aborted babies to Heaven.

    Observe. What Geremia (as well as the many people today trying to get aborted babies to Heaven) is doing here with the Baptism of Blood is basically the same thing that new-modernists have done with the Baptism of Desire, and what Fr. Feeney realized earlier on and tried to combat. It all boils down to possible salvation for those without Faith nor Baptism. It's always the same procedure. A total slippery slope following a dillusion of dogma, as if dogma could be altered according to circuмstance and place.
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #33 on: February 08, 2019, 04:41:53 PM »
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    • Geremia, it's real simple, brah. One can't be a martyr without being a Catholic, and one can't be Catholic without first being baptized with water and Spirit. Just some basic theology and a little logic, brah.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #34 on: February 08, 2019, 07:01:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Judith 15 Ten on February 08, 2019, 04:41:53 PM
    Geremia, it's real simple, brah. One can't be a martyr without being a Catholic, and one can't be Catholic without first being baptized with water and Spirit. Just some basic theology and a little logic, brah.

    While I agree with your basic point, you have done revealed yourself as Croix/Quid by your use of "brah".  You just can't manage to lay low, can you?
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #35 on: February 08, 2019, 07:03:03 PM »
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #36 on: February 08, 2019, 07:20:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 02:08:46 PM
    How do you explain the Holy Innocents, then?

    Under the Mosaic Law, the Holy Innocents were likely. Circuмcised.  The family father usually performed the rite.
    Recall that Our Lord was circuмcised after only 8 days.
    Holy Therese Neumann had a vision of the slaughter and saw the souls of the Holy Innocents rising to Heaven like incense.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #37 on: February 08, 2019, 07:27:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on February 08, 2019, 07:20:54 PM
    Under the Mosaic Law, the Holy Innocents were likely. Circuмcised.  

    Under the New Law, the martyrs were likely. Water Baptized.   :cowboy:
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #38 on: February 08, 2019, 09:44:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on February 08, 2019, 04:22:33 PM
    what Fr. Feeney realized earlier on and tried to combat. It all boils down to possible salvation for those without Faith nor Baptism.
    How did Fr. Feeney explain the Holy Innocents?
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #39 on: February 08, 2019, 09:47:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
    How did Fr. Feeney explain the Holy Innocents?

    Geremia, are you even reading any of the preceding posts, or are we wasting our time here?   The Holy Innocents question has already been dealt with in this thread.  Several times.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #40 on: February 08, 2019, 09:48:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: ihsv on February 08, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
    The Holy Innocents died under the Old Law, and were not subject to the new dispensation of baptism.  Under no circuмstances is their situation even remotely similar to those of aborted babies who die under the New Law.  The obligation to receive the sacrament of baptism didn't come into effect until Pentecost Sunday, 33 AD.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #41 on: February 08, 2019, 09:55:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: ihsv on February 08, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
    The Holy Innocents died under the Old Law, and were not subject to the new dispensation of baptism.
    St. Robert argues not all the Holy Innocents were circuмcised; thus, it was not circuмcision that justified them; it was their martyrdom itself which gave graces ex opere operato (De Sacramento Baptismi p. 166, first full ¶).
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #42 on: February 08, 2019, 10:42:04 PM »
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #43 on: February 08, 2019, 10:52:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 09:55:02 PM
    St. Robert argues not all the Holy Innocents were circuмcised; thus, it was not circuмcision that justified them; it was their martyrdom itself which gave graces ex opere operato (De Sacramento Baptismi p. 166, first full ¶).
    What are St Robert's grounds for such a statement (can't read the link you posted); after all the reason for killing those lttle boys under 2 years of age, (by which time little Jєωιѕн boys are already circuмcised) was to eliminate Jesus, Who of course had already been whipped off to Egypt by His parents. If they weren't circuмcised then they weren't Jєωιѕн, and so would not have been martyred.
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    Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
    « Reply #44 on: February 09, 2019, 10:22:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Geremia on February 08, 2019, 09:44:57 PM
    How did Fr. Feeney explain the Holy Innocents?

    First, they died under the Old Law of salvation, as it has been explained before. Most Holy Innocents would have been circuмcised anyway, just like the martyrs have most likely been water baptized.
    Second, they were slaughtered for the sake of Jesus. Aborted babies are NOT slaughtered for the sake of Jesus.  :fryingpan:
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