In this video I give a background on some issues regarding the need for an Aboriginal Theology in the work of mission or evangelization.


Bruce Ferguson

Bruce, I watched both of your videos.

I see you did a theology course in which you encountered, and apparently admired ,Matthew Fox.

I know of him from way back (1990's), but can't remember the specific details, but I know at that time I was repulsed by his theology.

Here is a blog which you might read. http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/05/matthew-fox-is-still-alive-and-is-still-an-idiot/

How is your prayer life? In what does it consist?

Hello Nadir. Yes, I read the article, but the article is not exactly accurate on all of its details (which does not take away from the central messaging of the article that Fox is not exactly orthodox).  Fox did not get defrocked to start with, he simply quite before facing disciplinary measures and then he joined the Episcopalean church.

He contributed towards postmodern theology basically in two areas, Creation theology and the Cosmic mass.   I think the man to be brilliant in many ways but I find him making proposals that would or probably could not be accepted within either the traditional or novus ordo Catholic orthodoxy.  

What I meant by sensing he is at the cusp is that he has done a lot of work in describing how indigenous cultures have more of a holistic process in our worship; how one can use dancing as worship (movement which is in itself healing), how the Augustinian tradition of Original sin needs to be in conversation for the much older (by 800 years) Hebrew Tradition of Original blessing.  Many of these ideas are integral to indigenous spirituality and hence a starting point for discussion in the area of my interest.

I did about five courses at the Vancouver School of Theology then i ran out of money (go figure), but the experience was rewarding and challenged my thinking to expand.  In about three weeks I go back to do some studies in philosophy so I will be able to continue reading and writing about this stuff.

My prayer life is much like everyone else, morning prayer, pray before my meals, evening prayer and examination of conscience.  I love the rosary and Eucharistic Adoration, and of course mass.  That's about it.  

Thanks for your thoughts and questions Nadir, hope to hear a lot from you when I start producing my papers.

Bruce  

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Tricker is taking every opportunity to put forth his new-age religion--even worse than mainstream NO--probably even worse than most protestant heresies.

He has nothing to add to conversation among true Catholics, and is not the least bit interested in returning to the true Faith.  I do pity him--he's about the age of my older sisters.  To have been in Catholic school during V-II was quite possibly worse than to have been in the 80s as I was.  I have heard my dad speak of the turmoil in the Church and Catholic school as V-II was in session and the years immediately following.

I wish Trickster was here to learn with an openness to returning to the true Faith that he was cheated out of by a bunch of modernist heretics.  But it's quite clear to me that his agenda here is sprinkling and soaking us with new-age "theology."

OCHA, how you came up with that conclusion based on the videos is beyond me.  The only thing I can see is that you want to construct a troll arguement, that you really need to believe that I am a New Ager and you have created such an intrinsic logic about what can only be described as your desire to exclude.

What exactly is new age in the video's?  I talked about my history, about what sparked my interests and that is an active involvement in native politics since 1979 and seeing that what is missing in the struggle is the radical inclusion of a spiritual dimension that can be offered by our faith.  I talked about my learning experience, I do not close my minds to Traditional Catholics, nor progressive, postmodern Catholicism either, I listen to all as I learn from all.  

Your opinion that I have nothing to offer to the conversation is quite yours to take, who knows though, I might surprise you.  Going to Catholic School in the 60s was wonderful as I have talked about in many of my posts.  Too bad many on CathInfo could not have experienced those changing times direcdtly.

In terms of sprinkling and soaking Cathinfo readers with new age theology says two things, you must be claravoyant to be able to make those statemetns about my motivation and secondly you underestimate the intelligence of your fellow CAthinfo readers.

ANyways, OCHA in the video I asked for criticism so I appreciate your words, but I would hope that you could name specifics in the video that back up your statemetns, otherwise we are at the labelling level and no authentic conversation.  Is it that you want desperately paint me in negative terms because I don't fit your world view...

Why is it so important to you ...what is in your conscience ... to want me to be the new age troll that you have repeatedly said.

Anyways, look forward to your reflecdtions.#

Bruce

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TROLL THREAD

Tricker is taking every opportunity to put forth his new-age religion--even worse than mainstream NO--probably even worse than most protestant heresies.

He has nothing to add to conversation among true Catholics, and is not the least bit interested in returning to the true Faith.  I do pity him--he's about the age of my older sisters.  To have been in Catholic school during V-II was quite possibly worse than to have been in the 80s as I was.  I have heard my dad speak of the turmoil in the Church and Catholic school as V-II was in session and the years immediately following.

I wish Trickster was here to learn with an openness to returning to the true Faith that he was cheated out of by a bunch of modernist heretics.  But it's quite clear to me that his agenda here is sprinkling and soaking us with new-age "theology."

OCHA, how you came up with that conclusion based on the videos is beyond me.  The only thing I can see is that you want to construct a troll arguement, that you really need to believe that I am a New Ager and you have created such an intrinsic logic about what can only be described as your desire to exclude.

What exactly is new age in the video's?  I talked about my history, about what sparked my interests and that is an active involvement in native politics since 1979 and seeing that what is missing in the struggle is the radical inclusion of a spiritual dimension that can be offered by our faith.  I talked about my learning experience, I do not close my minds to Traditional Catholics, nor progressive, postmodern Catholicism either, I listen to all as I learn from all.  

Your opinion that I have nothing to offer to the conversation is quite yours to take, who knows though, I might surprise you.  Going to Catholic School in the 60s was wonderful as I have talked about in many of my posts.  Too bad many on CathInfo could not have experienced those changing times direcdtly.

In terms of sprinkling and soaking Cathinfo readers with new age theology says two things, you must be claravoyant to be able to make those statemetns about my motivation and secondly you underestimate the intelligence of your fellow CAthinfo readers.

ANyways, OCHA in the video I asked for criticism so I appreciate your words, but I would hope that you could name specifics in the video that back up your statemetns, otherwise we are at the labelling level and no authentic conversation.  Is it that you want desperately paint me in negative terms because I don't fit your world view...

Why is it so important to you ...what is in your conscience ... to want me to be the new age troll that you have repeatedly said.

Anyways, look forward to your reflecdtions.#

Bruce

I didn't watch the video.  I read your reply to Nadir--your fascination/admiration of Matthew Fox; creation/eco theology; cosmic/dancing/paganistic "masses;" and you seem very much into blending aboriginal spirituality with Catholicism.  You know, I believe native Caribbean spirituality has already been blended quite well with Catholicism--it's called VooDoo.

Anyway, you're inundating the forum with your new-agisms.

And you think your "experienc[ing] those changing times directly" is enviable??  I am very pleased to not have lived through the 60s.  You want to know what happened in my home parish in the 1960s--the priest ran off and married a woman who was about to become a nun.  And I doubt you find anything wrong with that.  But true Catholics are scandalized by such craziness.

No--I don't mind that I missed experiencing the changes directly.  I'd probably be as f'd up as you and my sisters if I had.  Though y'all's non-"beliefs" frustrate the hell out of me--I would prefer the council "fathers," and the bogus popes and bogus "saint" (I'm going to puke) popes find the fire a billion times hotter than they probably have and the children of the 60s be spared--that would seem more just to me.  But I claim not to know the mind of the Lord.

I'll get back to you OCHA, I have to run for now...and get some tasks done...talk to you later.


Bruce

Yes, I read the article, but the article is not exactly accurate on all of its details (which does not take away from the central messaging of the article that Fox is not exactly orthodox).  Fox did not get defrocked to start with, he simply quite before facing disciplinary measures and then he joined the Episcopalean church.

Fox's defrocking is neither here nor there. It is not the point of the article. The article shows that Matthew Fox is without doubt an evil man (not an idiot as FrZ imputes) and that, unless he repents and makes reparation for his evil ways, he is on the path to Hell and taking others (you?) along with him.

I think the man to be brilliant in many ways but I find him making proposals that would or probably could not be accepted within either the traditional or novus ordo Catholic orthodoxy.

Lucifer too is brilliant. More brilliant than his slave, Matthew Fox, and more brilliant than any of us here. So what? Brilliance will not keep us out of Hell. Adhering to the Catholic Faith and doing God's Will does earn our eternal salvation.

What I meant by sensing he is at the cusp is that he has done a lot of work in describing .... how the Augustinian tradition of Original sin needs to be in conversation for the much older (by 800 years) Hebrew Tradition of Original blessing.  Many of these ideas are integral to indigenous spirituality and hence a starting point for discussion in the area of my interest.

How can untruth be the starting point of anything that is valuable? The man is a liar and his master is a liar.

I did about five courses at the Vancouver School of Theology then i ran out of money (go figure), but the experience was rewarding and challenged my thinking to expand.  In about three weeks I go back to do some studies in philosophy so I will be able to continue reading and writing about this stuff.

You'd be better off studying the Church Fathers, the New Testament and the lives and writings of the (pre-vat) Saints.

My prayer life is much like everyone else, morning prayer, pray before my meals, evening prayer and examination of conscience.  I love the rosary and Eucharistic Adoration, and of course mass.  That's about it.  

So when you examine your conscience, does it not occur to you that you are putting your eternal salvation at risk by playing with the dark forces that Matthew Fox worships?

Viva Christo Rey has given you some wise words. Get back to wearing the Brown Scapular and become consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
I am praying for you.

Hi Matthew, I love the jpeg you downloaded, where did you get it?


Bruce

We as Catholics dread the loss of Heaven and the pains of Hell.

But most of all because our sins offend God who art good and deserving of all of our love.