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Offline LaramieHirsch

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A sin to pay taxes?
« on: July 13, 2014, 04:41:24 AM »
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  • Quick question.  When Christ was telling us to render unto Caesar what is Caesars, what was Caesar doing with the tax money he collected?  Surely he was funding uncouth and anti-Christian activities and campaigns.  Right?
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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #1 on: July 13, 2014, 06:32:24 AM »
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  • If you have full knowledge that the monies paid in taxes are going to evil
    things such as the promotion of evil life styles, abortion, contraceptives,
    and promotion of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyles.  Destruction of the family, and
    taking the Dad, the Mother, and men out of the picture.
    Also, if you know that your monies are going to financed unjust wars
    that lead to the murders  of unjust killings of men, women, and
    children.
    If you have the full knowledge of the above, you share in the sins.
    No matter how exemplary your Catholic :devil2: Lifestyle is, you share in
    the sins.


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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #2 on: July 13, 2014, 06:52:46 AM »
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  • So, 1953, how do you manage to live without paying taxes?  If you participate in the monetary system run by criminals in the Federal Reserve, you must participate in their sin as well.  If you possess or use products made by underpaid laborers, surely you sin.  
    I will therefore assume you are a hermit, living entirely off the land--but then, how can you use a computer, or mobile device without sinning?
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #3 on: July 13, 2014, 01:27:58 PM »
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    So, 1953, how do you manage to live without paying taxes?  If you participate in the monetary system run by criminals in the Federal Reserve, you must participate in their sin as well.  If you possess or use products made by underpaid laborers, surely you sin.  
    I will therefore assume you are a hermit, living entirely off the land--but then, how can you use a computer, or mobile device without sinning?


    I dont know how to program much but i've read enough code to find out loads of words from Bible are used in 'source' code!

    When you know muslim shamans call up their djinn(western = devils) whilst chanting algebra maths - it all fits in place!

    hal = human access language (windows root/system32-hal.dll)

    Strongs
    hal·lêḇ — 1 Occurrence

    Jeremiah 17:9
    HEB: עָקֹ֥ב הַלֵּ֛ב מִכֹּ֖ל וְאָנֻ֣שׁ
    NAS: The heart is more deceitful
    KJV: The heart [is] deceitful
    INT: deceitful the heart all desperately

    MAT 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind"


    Jєω-Mason Bill Gate's Dos/Sod 'backbone' 'layer' of computing software fits in with the тαℓмυd Jєω/masonic phallic-idol  symbolism they adhere to. Obelisks etc

    "For the children of Judah had done evil in my sight, says Yahweh, they have erected their ABOMINATIONS in the HOUSE which is called by my name, to pollute it.”

    "Washington DC ObelisK, Argentina's and France's Form A Triangle Acrosss The Atlantic Ocean!"

    The Vatican, France and London Obelisks Form a Triangle In Europe

    A Masonic Symbol (Two triangles intertwined form Israeli Ma-gen Star of David) It first appeared in Prague - never used on any Jєω tribes flags in Israel!

    Only yesterday in Jєωmedia was it pointed out to us the Manhatten Solar grid line up! (Heart of Judean financial babylon)

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    The spirit of the sun god was supposed to enter the stones at certain periods, and on these occasions human sacrifices were offered to it. The victims were probably prisoners of war who had been captured alive, and foreigners, and when these failed the priests must have drawn upon the native population.

    At On, king after king erected benbens in Re’s honour, so that by 1300BC the city was full of obelisks. The Roman author Pliny wrote about this city of On where kings ‘entered into a kind of rivalry in forming elongated blocks of stone, known as obelisks, and consecrated them to the divinity of the Sun’.

    In 'Our Phallic Heritage' we are told that 'All pillars or columns originally had a phallic significance, and were therefore considered sacred. Pan, the goat god and god of sensuality, was often represented as an obelisk. A former witch writes 'The obelisk is a long pointed four sided shaft, the uppermost portion of which forms a pyramid. The word 'obelisk' literally means 'Baal's shaft' or Baal's organ of reproduction'

    To Freemasons groping for mystic enlightenment in the 1800’s the obelisk was the only architectural symbol of Osiris still in existence. And if, as some Masonic historians claim, Hiram Abiff is really Osiris reborn there could be no greater proof of Masonic ascendancy in the modern world than Egyptian Obelisks thrust by masons into the heart of the West’s great cities. These would also symbolise Boaz and Jachim, the twin pillars which masons claim were built in front of Solomon’s temple, in imitation of two obelisks at the entrance of Egyptian temples.




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    Since Sodom looks pure in comparison with Judah it is then more appropriate to use the term “judanomy” for perverse sɛҳuąƖ acts rather than “sodomy.” The books of Kings and Chronicles are replete with records of idolatry, sex worship and the phallic images, and the records of child sacrifice in ancient Israel and Judah.

    The altars Solomon built in Jerusalem and the altar Jeroboam built in Beth El survived and were fully functioning until the days of King Josiah when they were destroyed. This shows the national and continuos idolatry of the “chosen race.” It is preposterous therefore to say that the Israelites were peculiar people and set aside from other nations.

    They served the Gods of other nations, they murdered their children in sacrifice to those Gods. They practiced phallic rites just like all other nations of Canaan and they also had male and female prostitutes in all their shrines and even in the Jerusalem Temple. In addition the Israelites and the Jєωs persecuted and murdered the true Prophets the Most High kept on sending in hope that the wicked Israelites and Jєωs would reform their ways. The “pagans” at least were not guilty of shedding the blood of the Prophets.


    they recreated the symbolic "oracle"
    (just in case you missed it - Oracle Corporation is a U.S.-based multinational computer technology corporation headquartered in Redwood City, California)

    OC one abbreviation = Organised Crime!

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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #4 on: July 13, 2014, 02:40:04 PM »
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  • IGNORANCE is bliss sometime.
    Please pray for my soul.
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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #5 on: July 13, 2014, 03:14:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    If you have full knowledge that the monies paid in taxes are going to evil... you share in
    the sins.


    Ah.  I trust you've gone galt at this point, and that at any moment the Feds will be rushing in to imprison you for a very long time.  Makes me wonder how you have internet connection.  


    Moving on, let's return to the OP.


    What activities was Caesar funding with tax money when Christ said "render unto Caesar what is Caesars?"
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle

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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #6 on: July 13, 2014, 04:12:18 PM »
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    If you have full knowledge that the monies paid in taxes are going to evil... you share in
    the sins.


    Ah.  I trust you've gone galt at this point, and that at any moment the Feds will be rushing in to imprison you for a very long time.  Makes me wonder how you have internet connection.  


    Moving on, let's return to the OP.


    What activities was Caesar funding with tax money when Christ said "render unto Caesar what is Caesars?"


    Do you have the answer ready or is this just for discussion?


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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #7 on: July 13, 2014, 05:17:45 PM »
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    So, 1953, how do you manage to live without paying taxes?  If you participate in the monetary system run by criminals in the Federal Reserve, you must participate in their sin as well.  If you possess or use products made by underpaid laborers, surely you sin.  
    I will therefore assume you are a hermit, living entirely off the land--but then, how can you use a computer, or mobile device without sinning?


    It is always possible to sin less than we sin. What it requires is that gift of the Holy Spirit called fortitude and some original thought.

    This man has withheld taxes from the Australian government since 1981, and still walks free. Have a wander around his website http://lis.net.au/marijonas/page6/page6.html

    He is far from a hermit. He does not live solely off the land and he has his own website and blog. As I have known him personally since 1997 I know him to be an honest man.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 05:22:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    Quick question.  When Christ was telling us to render unto Caesar what is Caesars, what was Caesar doing with the tax money he collected?  Surely he was funding uncouth and anti-Christian activities and campaigns.  Right?


    A liitle correction is needed here. When Jesus said that there were actually no Christians yet. Christianity began with the Church at the descent of the Holy Spirit.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 07:12:19 PM »
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    If you have full knowledge that the monies paid in taxes are going to evil... you share in
    the sins.


    Ah.  I trust you've gone galt at this point, and that at any moment the Feds will be rushing in to imprison you for a very long time.  Makes me wonder how you have internet connection.  


    Moving on, let's return to the OP.


    What activities was Caesar funding with tax money when Christ said "render unto Caesar what is Caesars?"


    Do you have the answer ready or is this just for discussion?



    This is no set up, and I have no answer ready.  

    I was wondering if anyone knows.  What was Caesar doing with tax money?
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    Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct.  - Aristotle

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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #10 on: July 14, 2014, 05:06:25 AM »
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  • You have a moral obligation to pay all legitimate taxes as they are destined for the common good.  


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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #11 on: July 14, 2014, 05:45:33 AM »
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    You have a moral obligation to pay all legitimate taxes as they are destined for the common good.  


    Yes, yes.  Fine.  

    But what about Caesar?  

    What was happening with Roman tax money?

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    « Reply #12 on: July 14, 2014, 07:18:34 AM »
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    Quick question.  When Christ was telling us to render unto Caesar what is Caesars, what was Caesar doing with the tax money he collected?  


    Actually your questioning here is out of order. Firstly Jesus is not "telling us to render unto Caesar what is Caesars"

    Read the passage and see for yourself.

    Matthew 22:

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    [15] Then the Pharisees going, consulted among themselves how to insnare him in his speech.
    [16] And they sent to him their disciples with the Herodians, saying: Master, we know that thou art a true speaker, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou dost not regard the person of men. [17] Tell us therefore what dost thou think, is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?
    [18] But Jesus knowing their wickedness, said: Why do you tempt me, ye hypocrites?
    [19] Shew me the coin of the tribute. And they offered him a penny. [20] And Jesus saith to them: Whose image and inscription is this?

    [16] The Herodians: That is, some that belonged to Herod, and that joined with him in standing up for the necessity of paying tribute to Caesar, that is, to the Roman emperor. Some are of opinion that there was a sect among the Jєωs called Herodians, from their maintaining that Herod was the Messias.

    [21] They say to him: Caesar' s. Then he saith to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar' s; and to God, the things that are God' s. [22] And hearing this they wondered, and leaving him, went their ways.


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    Surely he was funding uncouth and anti-Christian activities and campaigns.  Right?


    I've dealt with the anti-Christian bit, but I guess he would have built a few roads, maybe a villa or two and had a few campaigns to extend the empire. Possibly spending a bit on controlling those pesky Pharisees and other sects. But don't take my word for it I'm only guessing.You could always read up on history if you really want to know.
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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #13 on: July 14, 2014, 09:43:19 AM »
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    You have a moral obligation to pay all legitimate taxes as they are destined for the common good.  


    Yes, yes.  Fine.  

    But what about Caesar?  

    What was happening with Roman tax money?


    Roads, (some of which are still in operation today) bridges ( some of those are still around) aquaducts, various palaces for the emperor and his family and friends, pay for the soldiers, food for his slaves.

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    A sin to pay taxes?
    « Reply #14 on: July 14, 2014, 12:49:51 PM »
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    You have a moral obligation to pay all legitimate taxes as they are destined for the common good.  

    I was told by an SSPX priest that it was not a sin to not pay taxes.
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