Author Topic: A revolution without weapons (Read 611 times)

Dulcamara · « **on:** November 16, 2010, 11:10:03 PM »

For all of the gold-mongers out there, made a pretty good point about gold-backed money, and money systems in general.

What do you all make of this?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** November 16, 2010, 11:35:00 PM »

Quote from: Dulcamara

For all of the gold-mongers out there, made a pretty good point about gold-backed money, and money systems in general.

What do you all make of this?

I've seen it before.

I don't believe a gold-backed currency system is good. Just gold remains a store of value by people in this world that does not depend on the faith and credit of governments.

Video on Zimbabwe:

Obviously the bankers were able to rule with a gold-backed currency. Although fiat can really magnify their power, at least temporarily. Until everyone needs gold again - and they've purchased what they need ahead of time - knowing the results of their fiat policies in advance.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** November 16, 2010, 11:39:41 PM »

An interesting book from 1890s Cincinnati (warning it's by a Protestant minister)

http://www.biblestudysite.com/reddragon.htm

Dulcamara · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2010, 12:42:55 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

I've seen it before.

I don't believe a gold-backed currency system is good. Just gold remains a store of value by people in this world that does not depend on the faith and credit of governments.

True. I guess common sense suggests it should be something of recognized value rather than mere paper.

All the money stuff was confusing to me for a long time, because I'd heard so many different things, but... I just started to think, the people out there who say it will take a full-fledged revolution to right the problems of the country (and/or world), has always struck me as problematic for reasons related to this. If you understand that power lies with the control of the money, and the governments are being bent to serve those who do control it, then it follows that the armies and law enforcement will also become the instruments of those who control the money.

People who think that way could throw their lives away by the thousands, but what would change, if, when the smoke cleared, the same people still had control, or still were able to manipulate the people with the same nonsense that got us into this economic crisis? In other words, the men in uniform (of whatever kind) are not the problem (as we all know), but they are the ones revolutionary wannabes would actually be facing down. (Totally pointless.) But it wouldn't really change anything, especially since even if they had a force greater than their foes, people still wouldn't know who and what the real problem is, and if they did the wrong thing, they would only end up in the same position again.

I realized it a long time ago, but it just really underlined the thought... if the root of the problem is with the money, then until that gets fixed, people really won't be able to change anything. It's not just politics that become empty, but indeed any and all effort (outside of prayer), becomes empty and futile.

I realize the thread was sort of off topic, but... I also realized that there were probably people who never go into whatever sub-forum it probably really does belong in, and those who don't know the stuff in that video probably should get to know about it. I certainly learned a lot from it. If only everyone knew the truth, they would know where to aim their efforts, and that this isn't a war they're likely to win by any kind of violence.

After all, the devil is impervious to bullets. :plant: :wink:

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2010, 10:38:20 AM »

Quote from: Dulcamara

All the money stuff was confusing to me for a long time, because I'd heard so many different things, but... I just started to think, the people out there who say it will take a full-fledged revolution to right the problems of the country (and/or world), has always struck me as problematic for reasons related to this. If you understand that power lies with the control of the money, and the governments are being bent to serve those who do control it, then it follows that the armies and law enforcement will also become the instruments of those who control the money.

People who think that way could throw their lives away by the thousands, but what would change, if, when the smoke cleared, the same people still had control, or still were able to manipulate the people with the same nonsense that got us into this economic crisis? In other words, the men in uniform (of whatever kind) are not the problem (as we all know), but they are the ones revolutionary wannabes would actually be facing down. (Totally pointless.) But it wouldn't really change anything, especially since even if they had a force greater than their foes, people still wouldn't know who and what the real problem is, and if they did the wrong thing, they would only end up in the same position again.

Not necessarily. The finance of a revolution would have to come from wealthy individuals from the upper middle class or higher, that or it would have to funded by a foreign entity. But in any case, a revolt would have to be initiated by members of the military command. After all, they have taken an oath to defend the Constitution by force, and they are very soon going to have to decide weather they are servants of the Federalists or We the People. Those already in a position of command are the only ones who could conduct a military campaign and secure political offices at the same time until a knew government is in place. If they are going to set up a new government with an election, it will all be for not... the people have already chosen their government yesterday and they wont choose differently tomorrow. The only option that promises any chance of success would be to set up a Franco like regime and start coining money with precious metals and establish a unit of trade that holds some amount of substantial value. The government, however, would have to seize the gold in Fort Knox and the Fed Reserve Bank and any holds belonging to enemies of the state.

So Im afraid for now our fates are in the hand's of God's Providence and the Military, and until God raises His hand against His enemies, all we can do is take care of ourselves, our families, and at most our communities, and with force if we must, as well as our priests and clergy.