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Offline Hatchc

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« on: March 25, 2013, 09:14:26 PM »
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  • I considered posting this in the anonymous section, but I wanted it to get more attention so I post it here.

    Hey Telesphorus, have you ever encountered one good argument against your positions on race? Or feminism? On anything?

    I see people who willfully misconstrue what you say. I see people who try to bait you. I see people who question your motives. I've never seen one person offer a convincing counterargument to any of your positions.

    It's simultaneously amusing and sad, especially considering that your views wouldn't have been considered odd at all to 99% of Catholics who lived in any earlier era. It shows that what you call "post-68 racial views" are built on nothing but sand. Your critics have nothing. It's like child's play, how easily you pick them apart. I'm glad Matthew gives you this venue, because most forum owners wouldn't tolerate you for a second. You're simply too strong.

    And it's not just race. There are others besides you who offer interesting insights about race, but no one on the forum has your breadth. I see you pick people apart on just about every contentious subject. You have a powerful mind.

    I've always appreciated you, but I became very enthusiastic about you after witnessing you take on the entire Fisheaters forum a couple years back. What particularly impressed me about your "performance" on that thread is that you rejected the fake middlemen who were trying to position themselves as the voices of reason. Your Catholic standards had the effect of exposing these middlemen as covert feminists. So your appeal has as much to do with character as with ability.

    I'd really like to see you write a book. An overview of the state of the world today. Chapters on race, feminism, Jєωs, the various trad groups, economics, etc. Something comprehensive. I would buy a few copies. You could publish it on Lulu.

    The last person I asked to write such a book was Joe Sobran. He turned me down. He said it would be "too much work." But he didn't say it was a bad idea!

    I think you have a more powerful mind than Sobran. Maybe not quite the writer he was, but a more powerful mind.

    You're mind is too sound, and your ability to formulate arguments too solid, to not cast your viewpoints in some more permanent form than an internet forum. You shouldn't count on making a chunk of change. There will not be a large audience for this book.

    The value of this book would come in the form of knowing that you are providing a valuable service to those who want to see a restoration of Christendom. You would crystallize their thoughts. Restore Christendom in people's hearts and minds.

    Our brains decay with age. I think you are probably at the peak of your powers. You're in your late-30s. The mind will start to become dull.

    Now is the time!

    Just a thought from a fan.  :wink:


    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2013, 09:18:37 PM »
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    I've never seen one person offer a convincing counterargument to any of your positions.


    Quite right. That's because his positions on feminism and Judaism, for instance, are perfectly in-line with Church teaching, thus why no one can refute them.

    Nice thread, Hatchc. I agree that Tele could write a book if he ever wanted to. I'd certainly be the first in line to buy it.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2013, 09:25:35 PM »
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  •  :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2: :roll-laugh2:


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    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2013, 09:31:02 PM »
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    There goes that "not actually refuting" Tele's positions again...

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    « Reply #4 on: March 25, 2013, 09:35:35 PM »
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    There goes that "not actually refuting" Tele's positions again...


    Sorry Iuvenalis-

    I don't normally show my emotions like this unless something is extremely funny. I really, really thought it was satire till I read Hatch's posting history.

    Only on CathInfo I guess... I'm glad to be a part of it ! :smirk:


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    « Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 09:39:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
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    I've never seen one person offer a convincing counterargument to any of your positions.


    Quite right. That's because his positions on feminism and Judaism, for instance, are perfectly in-line with Church teaching, thus why no one can refute them.

    Nice thread, Hatchc. I agree that Tele could write a book if he ever wanted to. I'd certainly be the first in line to buy it.


    I agree also...Tele could write that book, I know he could....and it would be powerful.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 09:41:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: Hatchc
    I considered posting this in the anonymous section, but I wanted it to get more attention so I post it here.

    Hey Telesphorus, have you ever encountered one good argument against your positions on race? Or feminism? On anything?

    I see people who willfully misconstrue what you say. I see people who try to bait you. I see people who question your motives. I've never seen one person offer a convincing counterargument to any of your positions.

    It's simultaneously amusing and sad, especially considering that your views wouldn't have been considered odd at all to 99% of Catholics who lived in any earlier era. It shows that what you call "post-68 racial views" are built on nothing but sand. Your critics have nothing. It's like child's play, how easily you pick them apart. I'm glad Matthew gives you this venue, because most forum owners wouldn't tolerate you for a second. You're simply too strong.

    And it's not just race. There are others besides you who offer interesting insights about race, but no one on the forum has your breadth. I see you pick people apart on just about every contentious subject. You have a powerful mind.

    I've always appreciated you, but I became very enthusiastic about you after witnessing you take on the entire Fisheaters forum a couple years back. What particularly impressed me about your "performance" on that thread is that you rejected the fake middlemen who were trying to position themselves as the voices of reason. Your Catholic standards had the effect of exposing these middlemen as covert feminists. So your appeal has as much to do with character as with ability.

    I'd really like to see you write a book. An overview of the state of the world today. Chapters on race, feminism, Jєωs, the various trad groups, economics, etc. Something comprehensive. I would buy a few copies. You could publish it on Lulu.

    The last person I asked to write such a book was Joe Sobran. He turned me down. He said it would be "too much work." But he didn't say it was a bad idea!

    I think you have a more powerful mind than Sobran. Maybe not quite the writer he was, but a more powerful mind.

    You're mind is too sound, and your ability to formulate arguments too solid, to not cast your viewpoints in some more permanent form than an internet forum. You shouldn't count on making a chunk of change. There will not be a large audience for this book.

    The value of this book would come in the form of knowing that you are providing a valuable service to those who want to see a restoration of Christendom. You would crystallize their thoughts. Restore Christendom in people's hearts and minds.

    Our brains decay with age. I think you are probably at the peak of your powers. You're in your late-30s. The mind will start to become dull.

    Now is the time!

    Just a thought from a fan.  :wink:


    I am honored by the request but unfortunately it is much harder to write a book than to act as a foil.

    This forum is sort of like chess players in the park.

    To really write a good book I'll have to reach another level.

    I don't know about the mind dulling or not.  I see evidence that both things happen - the mind dulls but also wisdom increases, slowly, in my case.

    I'll tell you this - partially losing hearing in one ear has definitely made me much more appreciative of what I have.  I'm so happy I went with my mother to a concert and sat in the third row and was able to enjoy some wonderful pieces with the full power of hearing a year ago.  It was a wonderful experience.  Perhaps I suffered that partial hearing loss in order to force me to give up pipe dreams and focus on my real talents.

    Offline Sigismund

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    « Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 09:44:44 PM »
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  • I disagree with Telesphorus quite a lot, and not always pleasantly.  I count myself as one of his fans here nonetheless.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #8 on: March 25, 2013, 09:47:05 PM »
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    I disagree with Telesphorus quite a lot, and not always pleasantly.  I count myself as one of his fans here nonetheless.  


    Yes, I was thinking I'd have a skip a chapter or two, but it'd be a good read overall.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 25, 2013, 10:01:50 PM »
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    This forum is sort of like chess players in the park.

    To really write a good book I'll have to reach another level.


    You could just work in that direction and see what comes of it. There are many bloggers (kind of like a forum, right?) who've made the leap and published a book (or many).

    My suggestion, if you haven't already completely dismissed the idea, is to work on making the things your write more complete rather than a series of single statements. Someone like PereJoseph will write a lot in a single post and many of his posts can stand alone without the surrounding conversation.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    « Reply #10 on: March 25, 2013, 10:09:29 PM »
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    I've always appreciated you, but I became very enthusiastic about you after witnessing you take on the entire Fisheaters forum a couple years back. What particularly impressed me about your "performance" on that thread is that you rejected the fake middlemen who were trying to position themselves as the voices of reason. Your Catholic standards had the effect of exposing these middlemen as covert feminists. So your appeal has as much to do with character as with ability.


    Yes -- and nowadays Telesphorus almost single handedly keeps Cathinfo free of such pests. Others can refute them, but it's his intensity that keeps them at bay.


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    « Reply #11 on: March 25, 2013, 11:07:35 PM »
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  • I'm glad he is here to keep such rabble at bay (as well as Matthew's moderation).

    But I'm glad most of you are here, period. I saw recently (another) entrant from that other forum whom I knew and whose posting style is sophistry and intellectual dishonesty. I was glad to see he got nowhere with it.

    I am glad there is this 'place' where people can be thoughtful and serious and not everything has to be who can outdo each other by making light of everything and everyone here isn't always telling people to "lighten up" when there is a crisis going on.

    I should have come over a year or two earlier. Wasted. Time wasted.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 25, 2013, 11:25:42 PM »
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    I'm glad he is here to keep such rabble at bay (as well as Matthew's moderation).


    True, which is why I hate to see the recent bad blood between them.

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    « Reply #13 on: March 26, 2013, 12:33:15 AM »
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  • Telephorus, it was nice of your mom to register and start this thread about you.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 26, 2013, 06:33:36 AM »
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    I considered posting this in the anonymous section, but I wanted it to get more attention so I post it here.

    Hey Telesphorus, have you ever encountered one good argument against your positions on race? Or feminism? On anything?

    I see people who willfully misconstrue what you say. I see people who try to bait you. I see people who question your motives. I've never seen one person offer a convincing counterargument to any of your positions.

    It's simultaneously amusing and sad, especially considering that your views wouldn't have been considered odd at all to 99% of Catholics who lived in any earlier era. It shows that what you call "post-68 racial views" are built on nothing but sand. Your critics have nothing. It's like child's play, how easily you pick them apart. I'm glad Matthew gives you this venue, because most forum owners wouldn't tolerate you for a second. You're simply too strong.

    And it's not just race. There are others besides you who offer interesting insights about race, but no one on the forum has your breadth. I see you pick people apart on just about every contentious subject. You have a powerful mind.

    I've always appreciated you, but I became very enthusiastic about you after witnessing you take on the entire Fisheaters forum a couple years back. What particularly impressed me about your "performance" on that thread is that you rejected the fake middlemen who were trying to position themselves as the voices of reason. Your Catholic standards had the effect of exposing these middlemen as covert feminists. So your appeal has as much to do with character as with ability.

    I'd really like to see you write a book. An overview of the state of the world today. Chapters on race, feminism, Jєωs, the various trad groups, economics, etc. Something comprehensive. I would buy a few copies. You could publish it on Lulu.

    The last person I asked to write such a book was Joe Sobran. He turned me down. He said it would be "too much work." But he didn't say it was a bad idea!

    I think you have a more powerful mind than Sobran. Maybe not quite the writer he was, but a more powerful mind.

    You're mind is too sound, and your ability to formulate arguments too solid, to not cast your viewpoints in some more permanent form than an internet forum. You shouldn't count on making a chunk of change. There will not be a large audience for this book.

    The value of this book would come in the form of knowing that you are providing a valuable service to those who want to see a restoration of Christendom. You would crystallize their thoughts. Restore Christendom in people's hearts and minds.

    Our brains decay with age. I think you are probably at the peak of your powers. You're in your late-30s. The mind will start to become dull.

    Now is the time!

    Just a thought from a fan.  :wink:


    I am honored by the request but unfortunately it is much harder to write a book than to act as a foil.

    This forum is sort of like chess players in the park.

    To really write a good book I'll have to reach another level.

    I don't know about the mind dulling or not.  I see evidence that both things happen - the mind dulls but also wisdom increases, slowly, in my case.

    I'll tell you this - partially losing hearing in one ear has definitely made me much more appreciative of what I have.  I'm so happy I went with my mother to a concert and sat in the third row and was able to enjoy some wonderful pieces with the full power of hearing a year ago.  It was a wonderful experience.  Perhaps I suffered that partial hearing loss in order to force me to give up pipe dreams and focus on my real talents.


    I think you could reach that other level pretty easily.