Author Topic: A question for Alex (Read 2240 times)

Raoul76 · « **on:** January 05, 2012, 08:30:23 PM »

I was just on the phone with Alex, who told me "I will never be a sede."

My question is: Why is that? How can you just entirely close the door to a theory about the crisis that may be true, and has so much proof in favor of its being true? ( Yes, I think it's a fact, but I'm trying to see it from your perspective ).

If you are a Catholic who wants the truth, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "I'll be a sede when I feel that the theory has been proven to me sufficiently?"

Sorry, but to say "I'll never be a sede" is really testing the limits of friendship. It's one thing to believe Vatican II is still the Church for whatever reason, it's another to be a cheerleader for the BEAST OF THE APOCALYPSE. You are starting to get far too defensive about Vatican II, today even posting about the Vatican letting a "nun" go into SSPX like we should care what these heretics allow.

This stuff is getting harder and harder for me to stomach, just to let you know.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:46:13 PM »

Would you be willing to return the favor?

(To phrase your stance in slightly-less-than-absolute terms as you suggest for Alex?)

If not, then don't dish out what you can't take.

I assure you, people like Alex and myself are just as sure of ourselves as you are of yourself. To us, it is plain as day that sedevacantists have taken the wrong path in the Crisis, having thrown the baby out with the bathwater (etc.) as evidenced by a level of fruitfulness comparable to most desert zones, and a level of division & strife comparable to the protestant sects during the Protestant Revolt.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:52:34 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

and a level of division & strife comparable to the protestant sects during the Protestant Revolt.

I don't know Matthew...I think a comparison of sedevacantists to the Protestants is over the top.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:54:32 PM »

Yes, I can say that if you are right, I will accept that Benedict is Pope. The truth is the main concern here. Obviously I don't think you're right, but if it turns out I'm under some kind of cloud, of course I will change my mind.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2012, 08:57:00 PM »

Alex can barely hear the word "sede" at this point without flipping out. Just the very mention of it is intolerable. Why is that? Doesn't this remind you of Vatican II people who stick their fingers in their ears and go "Neener neener neener"?

Most people I know in SSPX have some sede leanings, or think sedevacantism could very well be true without feeling quite confident enough to take that step. That was how I thought Alex was at first. But this is now something else entirely. It's almost a hatred and hostility towards something that, at the very least, is VERY PLAUSIBLE and very important as well. It feels... wrong. Really wrong.