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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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A new NO saint?
« on: June 14, 2019, 06:12:02 AM »
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    • https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2019/06/12/fr-augustus-tolton-former-african-american-slave-advances-toward-sainthood/

    The article says nothing about his virtues, that are required, for his canonization, but it sure does point out that no American seminary would take him in because he was black. I find this possible, but highly doubtful. He may very well be a saint in Heaven, but this seems to be just another Novus Ordo political move.
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #1 on: June 14, 2019, 11:25:33 AM »
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    • It's just the church being p.c.
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #2 on: June 14, 2019, 03:00:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 14, 2019, 06:12:02 AM
    https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2019/06/12/fr-augustus-tolton-former-african-american-slave-advances-toward-sainthood/

    The article says nothing about his virtues, that are required, for his canonization, but it sure does point out that no American seminary would take him in because he was black. I find this possible, but highly doubtful. He may very well be a saint in Heaven, but this seems to be just another Novus Ordo political move.
    It could have just as easily because he didn't have enough education for the seminary, or the seminary in Rome he went to had African seminarians, so they figured it would be more cohesive.  
    Where I live at least, the catholic schools and churches were segregated until the 1950s.  So a seminary being segregated would make sense too, the problem is that there was no black seminary at the time, as he was the first AA priest.  
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 03:25:30 PM »
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    • Here is some info on James Augustine Healy, an eventual bishop in Maine, who was of mixed-race ancestry.  He could not attend any southern seminary, but was sent to the Sulpicians first in Montreal, and later in Paris.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Augustine_Healy
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 04:17:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on June 14, 2019, 03:25:30 PM
    Here is some info on James Augustine Healy, an eventual bishop in Maine, who was of mixed-race ancestry.  He could not attend any southern seminary, but was sent to the Sulpicians first in Montreal, and later in Paris.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Augustine_Healy
    I found this interesting: “Healy was the only member of the American Catholic hierarchy to excommunicate men who joined the Knights of Labor, a national union, which reached its peak of power in 1886”
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2019, 12:19:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on June 14, 2019, 03:25:30 PM
    Here is some info on James Augustine Healy, an eventual bishop in Maine, who was of mixed-race ancestry.  He could not attend any southern seminary, but was sent to the Sulpicians first in Montreal, and later in Paris.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Augustine_Healy
    He was unable to attend any seminary in the United States. He was also the property of his legally unmarried father.
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #6 on: June 15, 2019, 01:24:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: tdrev123 on June 14, 2019, 03:00:39 PM
    It could have just as easily because he didn't have enough education for the seminary, or the seminary in Rome he went to had African seminarians, so they figured it would be more cohesive.  
    Where I live at least, the catholic schools and churches were segregated until the 1950s.  So a seminary being segregated would make sense too, the problem is that there was no black seminary at the time, as he was the first AA priest.  
    Many parts of Europe have a different attitude toward race than the United States. 
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    Re: A new NO saint?
    « Reply #7 on: June 16, 2019, 09:21:39 AM »
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    • Actually people have been attesting to Fr. Tolton's holiness since his death. 
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