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Offline Matto

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A Hand Gesture
« on: November 01, 2013, 03:17:41 PM »
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  • I have come across this hand gesture shown in the image below many times in art. Do you know if it has any significance or meaning?

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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #1 on: November 01, 2013, 03:39:10 PM »
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  • probably just a gesture of being humbled by the viewers presence, which is why it is in art so much. Francis 1 on the bus doing it however...

    btw where are you viewing these old paintings?


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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2013, 04:55:16 PM »
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    Quote from: Matto
    Do you know if it has any significance or meaning?



    It means that the artist wanted to be born three hundred years
    later when there are cameras and photography, so then he
    would be able to capture the image of his subject in a moment
    of time, whether the subject was prepared for his image being
    captured or not and then his picture would be there for all to
    see for all time with whatever expression there was on his face
    because it was a CANDID CAMERA shot catching him by surprise
    which makes his heart kind of JUMP in his chest and that feeling
    makes the subject reflexively put his hand to his breast like
    this as he GASPS with surprise.  


    Other than that, it's just heartburn, or perhaps indigestion.   :facepalm:

    .......No, hand to the face is embarrassment, chagrin,
    .......or just a headache!



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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2013, 05:14:19 PM »
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    I'm sorry, I got it all wrong.  Scratch that last comment.  

    What this is, is a guy who's about to have a swordfight.

    See the sword handle in the foreground?  

    But he's not HOLDING the sword,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yet.

    Alternatively, we don't know what his left hand is doing.

    His left arm from the elbow down, is out of the picture.

    But don't forget about his left shoulder, which droops.

    Now, a drooping shoulder in a portrait like this has a
    very important significance.

    Either the artist was just goofy and had a twisted eye,
    which is not reasonable because this man's face is nice
    and straight without any drooping aspects on his left
    side like his shoulder has, so for get that idea.

    Or else the artist is subtly trying to tell us that this man
    is right in the middle of a lunging motion with his body,
    such as what he might do when grabbing his sword from
    the fixture or rack that keeps it standing up like that.

    If it were a scene from a Western, we could be thinking
    that he's a lefty and he's right in the middle of a DRAW,
    that is, of his holstered Colt .45!  

    But they didn't have doily collars like this in the Old West.

    So we are left thinking that he's been insulted, and his
    honor is at stake, and so, he is reaching out to grab his
    sword there in front of him, and the right hand to his
    chest is a position that a swordsman assumes at the
    beginning of his swordfight.  

    And the hand that goes to the chest is the hand that
    does NOT hold the sword.  

    Therefore, this man is sinistromanual, IOW a lefty.

    If he's Spanish (and it looks as though he may well be)
    and his middle name is "Manuel," then maybe his first
    name is "Sinistro."

    But seriously, beyond the drooping left shoulder we
    have a very curious thing, which is a light or a glow
    as if emphasizing the profile of the left shoulder and
    arm, as if to say, "This is not a mistake -- look at the
    posture of this left arm!!"


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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #4 on: November 01, 2013, 07:06:41 PM »
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  • On the bus, wasn't Cardinal Bergoglio making a masonic hand gesture?


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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #5 on: November 01, 2013, 07:32:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: LoverOfTradition
    On the bus, wasn't Cardinal Bergoglio making a masonic hand gesture?



    The day of his election I saw a video on YouTube that claimed he
    was making a Masonic hand gesture (hand to the chest like this)
    inside the room when he was walking up to the balcony that
    overlooks St. Peter's Square (by Bernini).  

    P.S.  It's also called Bernini's square by St. Peter's.  And now the
    pope who is the bishop of Rome, has become the bishop of Rome
    who is the pope.  And the "Catholic Pope" who does not call himself
    the pope, believes in a God -- but the pope does not believe in
    what he calls a "Catholic God."


    What looks like a "hand gesture" might actually be merely a reflex
    action that happens when one is trying to suppress a burp.


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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 07:47:29 PM »
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  • Or Pope Francis could have been merely reaching into his coat pocket for something.  Some people get way too caught up in conspiracy theories and see evidence of some evil satanic plot lurking in every shadow, behind every door and under every rock.  As far as I know there is no evidence that Pope Francis is a freemason.
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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 08:00:14 PM »
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  • Anytime anyone does anything with his hand, Some trad somewhere will scream "Mason".  For heaven's sake.  Sometimes a banana is just a banana.
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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 08:57:32 PM »
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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 10:36:56 PM »
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  • Gotta love those Mason aprons.

    Look familiar?

    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 10:43:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: LoverOfTradition
    On the bus, wasn't Cardinal Bergoglio making a masonic hand gesture?

    Maybe his hand was cold.


    Offline poche

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    « Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 10:51:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: rowsofvoices9
    Or Pope Francis could have been merely reaching into his coat pocket for something.  Some people get way too caught up in conspiracy theories and see evidence of some evil satanic plot lurking in every shadow, behind every door and under every rock.  As far as I know there is no evidence that Pope Francis is a freemason.

    Maybe someone asked him the time and he reached into his pocket to get his pocket watch so that he could give someone the time. Maybe the conductor was asking for his ticket. He was reaching into his pocket to give his ticket to the conductor. Maybe a beggar was asking for alms and he was reaching into his pocket to give the poor person a few pesos.  

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    A Hand Gesture
    « Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 10:53:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Sigismund
    Anytime anyone does anything with his hand, Some trad somewhere will scream "Mason".  For heaven's sake.  Sometimes a banana is just a banana.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 10:55:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mithrandylan
    Gotta love those Mason aprons.

    Look familiar?


    That sign could also refer to the Blessed Virgen Mary.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 10:56:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
    I have come across this hand gesture shown in the image below many times in art. Do you know if it has any significance or meaning?


    Maybe he is holding his hand over his heart as a sign of respect.