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roscoe · « **Reply #15 on:** November 15, 2013, 09:08:08 PM »

Whatever the true extent of poverty, grain shortages were contrived & manipulated by Illuminati to bring down the Monarchy. The Queen never said -- 'let em eat cake'. :reporter:

poche · « **Reply #16 on:** November 16, 2013, 12:02:11 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I was wrong to say I "hate" America, or at least inaccurate. The hatred is not for the country itself in terms of the people who are in it, it is for the SYSTEM that we live under which removes Catholic faith and morals from public life.

It would not remove Catholic faith and morals from public life if more Catholic public figures would have the courage to stand up for these principles in public.

poche · « **Reply #17 on:** November 16, 2013, 12:04:03 AM »

Quote from: Raoul76

To use my favorite example, if I were a Jєω -- when the Jєωs were the chosen people -- living in Babylon, and I hated living in Babylon, would that have been bad? Where would you have rather lived, in Jerusalem, the chosen city, or Babylon, full to the brim of perversity and wickedness? Have you looked around yourself lately?

SO WHY DO YOU CELEBRATE MYSTERY BABYLON WHICH IS AMERICA, WHERE THE CATHOLICS ARE IN EXILE? Do you see the delusion here?

Funny you should mention the Jєωs in Babylon. At the start of World War II approximately 1/4 of the population of Bagdad was Jєωιѕн.

poche · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2013, 12:08:35 AM »

Quote from: roscoe

Whatever the true extent of poverty, grain shortages were contrived & manipulated by Illuminati to bring down the Monarchy. The Queen never said -- 'let em eat cake'. :reporter:

I thought the grain shortages were the result of an environmental disaster brought on by a major volcanic eruption in what is now Iceland.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2013, 01:25:51 AM »

Quote from: roscoe

Whatever the true extent of poverty, grain shortages were contrived & manipulated by Illuminati to bring down the Monarchy. The Queen never said -- 'let em eat cake'. :reporter:

Again I'm not a supporter of the ideals of the French Revolution which created our modern liberal world, but the poverty was real and unmistakable.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2013, 03:56:13 PM »

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Marie Antoinette (1755-1793) was a virtuous and pious lady, whose
vile and horrific public assassination and martyrdom is one of the
great tragedies of history. The Freemasons made up the lie that she
had said that, and they ran with it in the newspapers, which they
controlled. She was shocked and mortified to see these words
publicized when she had never spoken them. She was killed for a
false charge in order to break down the Church, for she was Roman
Catholic and the Church was the real enemy of the Freemasons who
engineered the French Revolution. They even pretended that she
was not dying to defend the Faith SUCH THAT her death would not
be called a "martyrdom." How sad is THAT? :cry:

IMHO one of the signs that the Church has been restored will be
when her model life is upheld for the holiness that she lived. But
that is quite "a long shot."

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PereJoseph · « **Reply #21 on:** November 16, 2013, 04:10:20 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: roscoe
Whatever the true extent of poverty, grain shortages were contrived & manipulated by Illuminati to bring down the Monarchy. The Queen never said -- 'let em eat cake'. :reporter:

Again I'm not a supporter of the ideals of the French Revolution which created our modern liberal world, but the poverty was real and unmistakable.

Devastating famines will do that.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2013, 04:17:12 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Whatever one may think of the French Revolution I challenge any poster on here to refute the massive poverty during the years of Marie Antionette that was comparable to modern-day Washington D.C.

One should not speak ill of the martyrs, especially martyrs who, like Queen Marie-Antoinette, were not responsible for the problem in question. There was poverty prior to the Revolution on account of a series of crop failures that affected the 1780s. These crop failures were not the fault of the King and were especially not the fault of the Queen who, not being sovereign, did not control the royal land and trade policies.

Certainly the King's decision to support the Anglo-American colonial war did not help the royal finances (nor, in my opinion, was it just for the King to support those ignoble rebels), but nobody could have predicted the famines of the 1780s. As for who actually perpetrated the Revolution, that would undoubtedly be the middle class, educated, liberal merchantmen, all of whom were Freemasons and many of whom hated the Catholic Church and the monarchy on principle and thus were delighted to find an excuse to rebel against both.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2013, 04:34:29 PM »

Quote from: PereJoseph

As for who actually perpetrated the Revolution, that would undoubtedly be the middle class, educated, liberal merchantmen, all of whom were Freemasons and many of whom hated the Catholic Church and the monarchy on principle and thus were delighted to find an excuse to rebel against both.

Obviously the ideals of the French Revolution were summed up with the ideals of Rosseau, Diderot, and Voltaire and no one is defending the execution of thousands of Catholics in the Vendee Religion or the assasination of the king and queen. No one is saying that the French Revolution is a good thing as it created the first modern-day form of terrorism with the Reign of Terror.

But to borrow from Joseph de Maistre the French Revolution was a just punishment for France for the king allowing the eighteenth-century philosophes to continue to preach their doctrines no? :wink:

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 16, 2013, 04:41:53 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Vendee Region

roscoe · « **Reply #25 on:** November 16, 2013, 05:15:44 PM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: roscoe
Whatever the true extent of poverty, grain shortages were contrived & manipulated by Illuminati to bring down the Monarchy. The Queen never said -- 'let em eat cake'. :reporter:

I thought the grain shortages were the result of an environmental disaster brought on by a major volcanic eruption in what is now Iceland.

:roll-laugh1:

PereJoseph · « **Reply #26 on:** November 17, 2013, 04:19:14 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: PereJoseph
As for who actually perpetrated the Revolution, that would undoubtedly be the middle class, educated, liberal merchantmen, all of whom were Freemasons and many of whom hated the Catholic Church and the monarchy on principle and thus were delighted to find an excuse to rebel against both.

Obviously the ideals of the French Revolution were summed up with the ideals of Rosseau, Diderot, and Voltaire and no one is defending the execution of thousands of Catholics in the Vendee Religion or the assasination of the king and queen. No one is saying that the French Revolution is a good thing as it created the first modern-day form of terrorism with the Reign of Terror.

But to borrow from Joseph de Maistre the French Revolution was a just punishment for France for the king allowing the eighteenth-century philosophes to continue to preach their doctrines no?

Certainly. But we were discussing the poverty of common Frenchmen during the 1780s, not the King's short-sighted indulgence (of which he later repented) that emboldened the revolutionaries' schemes. These are two separate issues.

Also, don't forget Montesquieu.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 17, 2013, 04:36:20 PM »

Quote from: PereJoseph

Certainly. But we were discussing the poverty of common Frenchmen during the 1780s, not the King's short-sighted indulgence (of which he later repented) that emboldened the revolutionaries' schemes. These are two separate issues.

Also, don't forget Montesquieu.

I mentioned the poverty at the time to show the reason the common people rose up against the monarchy, since they did not read any of philosophers I mentioned.

Also don't forget Jefferson with his sentence of, "The tree of liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants and patriots. It is its natural manure," which was later used by Barere, "The tree of liberty must be nourished with the blood of tyrants."