Author Topic: Two Catholic Curses (Read 2207 times)

Trinity · « **Reply #15 on:** October 08, 2007, 03:02:20 PM »

[/b]AMEN And you have made my point in a nutshell. God is paddling those behinds, but they aren't making the connection. So I agree with you two, BUT someone needs to point out the connection and not sympathize with them when they get the correction they need for their soul's sake. That, I'm afraid, involves judgment, which is a problem. On the one hand you have the case of Job and on the other you may accidentally be helping someone ignore a correction. Problem. I'm sure of one thing. The NO has it all wrong.

By the way, I've always said that if I painted a picture of America, it would be nothing but a sea of ostrich arses.

Magdalene · « **Reply #16 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:37:02 PM »

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But as Catholics, we are not supposed to curse, but love our enemies. Certain saints and churchmen may have been inspired to proclaim punishment by God, but the catechism tells us it is a sin to wish evil on another human being. (Whether or not the above are sinful cases or not , the saints were not perfect, even if they were near to it and went absolutely to heaven. Only Christ and the Blessed Virgin were wholly without sin.)

The bad things did not happen to these people because Saint Montfort put a curse on them. - these were prophecies, not curses. All he was doing was telling them what was going to happen to them in the future because of their sins. Many saints were given the supernatural gift from God of forseeing the future. Saint Montfort was only telling them what was going to happen to them.

Matthew · « **Reply #17 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:49:46 PM »

You're right, Magdalene -- I was going to say it was an exceptional case of divine inspiration -- but it amounts to the same thing.

It's prophecy, even though a rather "negative" one.

Matthew

Trinity · « **Reply #18 on:** October 08, 2007, 04:55:21 PM »

I like that better, too. The sad part is that they could have taken it to heart and changed themselves and therefore their end. I think they could have, anyway.

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:42:15 PM »

Cursing can sometimes be good and be likened to holy anger. But if people abuse it and use it out prejudice, it can neither be right nor valid.

Trinity · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2007, 04:50:52 PM »

The subject of holy anger needs to be brought up and thoroughly examined here. For instance, is it holy anger to be outraged by public bragging of great sins?

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:08:27 PM »

Matthew · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2007, 07:16:26 PM »

Whenever the good of souls is at stake, it is righteous indignation.

When you are moved to anger because of a true injustice, your anger can give you the "oompf" you need to move yourself to action against the injustice. That is what the passion of anger is for.

It should be under the control of reason -- and always moderated more or less.

Yes, it can be a sin to NOT be angry when someone blasphemes, etc.

If someone were blaspheming the name of Christ or the Blessed Mother in your presence, it would be virtuous to raise your voice in anger to defend their honor. It would be weakness to do otherwise.

Matthew

Trinity · « **Reply #23 on:** October 15, 2007, 05:49:58 AM »

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If someone were blaspheming the name of Christ or the Blessed Mother in your presence, it would be virtuous to raise your voice in anger to defend their honor. It would be weakness to do otherwise.

Exactly. And in my old age I am seeing that. Looking back I figure I've been guilty of that weakness way too many times without realizing I was guilty at the time. Part of the legacy of NO and political correctness, no doubt. So we sin a lot more than we realize. Now I have for years recited a silent, shortened version of the Divine Praises at every blasphemy I heard or read. But I do lack the anger over it.

Somethings I do not lack anger over----legalized torture, sadistic behavior for the fun of it, any sort of bullyism, lifting up evil as good, state sponsored theft, this war which is nothing but a quasi legal killing spree, but above all, hurting children and helpless animals. There's more, but that's just off the top of my head.

I see these things in terms of people drowning. You do NOT walk by on the other side and ignore them. You place your life at the service of the victims. If you can't do it openly lest you be stopped, then you do it sneakily.

Can anyone list any other things which rightfully call forth holy anger? My husband has a problem at work. The plant manager is a sadistic bully. Every day he picks one or two victims and rides them until they totally upset. And when they are as upset as he can get them, he walks away with a smile on his face. If they stand up for themselves, he fires them. Is THIS an occasion for holy anger????

Matthew · « **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2007, 09:27:21 AM »

With someone like that, you need to "put up a wall" as it were -- it's actually a blessing when you can see an incident coming. I'm very passionate myself, but even so, my weakness is when things come unexpected -- I wasn't able to "psych myself up".

In your husband's case, it's much easier because he can psych himself up. He can simply say to himself "he's at it again" and let EVERYTHING roll off his back as if it's just a movie playing in the background or something.

I mean, the guy is basically "taunting" him -- usually that can be ignored. At any rate, once I found out that someone was getting a sadistic thrill out of upsetting me, I'd go out of my way to NOT get upset, just to tick him off! I'd smile and be kind to him, if not actually tease him back.

I think your husband needs to look for another job if it's as bad as you describe. No one should have to go through psychological or mental torture every work day.

Is there a way to report your husband's boss to HIS boss?

Matthew

Trinity · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2007, 03:40:37 PM »

My husband is rarely his victim---too low on the food chain. We have talked about what he should do when he sees another being victimized. Dawn said they had such a one where her husband worked. He was allowed to go on until the factory went belly up. That is a very real possibility here, too, since he jerks the hours around until until production is down and customers start walking away. But so far the question for us is what Paul's duty is toward his neighbor when the man starts in on one of them.

Dawn · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2007, 03:58:15 PM »

My late second cousin Josephine came from a strict old fashioned Catholic family. She worked in an office where the boss was a tyrant to some of the ladies. My little cousin, barely 5ft tall with pure white hair walked right up to him and said he was to stop. She said the all peocosmetologisteple are created in the image and likeness of God, and therefore, should be afforded the dignity of such. And, she pointed out to them, that the crucified Christ simply will not put up with bullies.
I think the man was so flabbergasted he stopped. Course that was many years ago and now, he probably would have hit the little old lady or sued her for mentioning God in the workplace. But,I always thought she was so mighty in my eyes for that.