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« on: June 14, 2014, 11:06:09 PM »
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  • The call went out on Border Patrol radios just before sundown one day this week: 31 immigrants spotted illegally crossing the Rio Grande on a raft.

    No sooner had the migrants been found hiding in the mesquite brush than another report came in: A woman and boy were walking up the riverbank.

    The Rio Grande Valley has become ground zero for an unprecedented surge in families and unaccompanied children flooding across the Southwest border, creating what the Obama administration is calling a humanitarian crisis as border officials struggle to accommodate new detainees. Largely from Central America, they are now arriving at a rate of more than 35,000 a month.

    Anzalduas Park, a 96-acre expanse of close-cropped fields and woodland that sits on the southern bend of the river, has turned from an idyllic family recreation area into a high-traffic zone for illegal migration.

    The number of children and teenagers traveling alone from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador is expected to reach up to 90,000 across the Southwest border by the end of the year, along with a surge of families with children seeking safe passage into the U.S.

    "This is the hottest spot in the nation for crossings," said Hidalgo County Precinct 3 Constable Lazaro "Larry" Gallardo, a valley native who said he had never seen a migration wave of such a scale during his 14 years in office. "Something's got to be done because the numbers are just too high."

    Detentions along this stretch of the river have gone from up to 50 immigrants a week to as many as 300. On Tuesday night, constables captured 100, on Monday nearly 200. Authorities are comparing the onslaught of homeless detainees to the displacements brought by Hurricane Katrina.

    "The basic difference is that the vast majority of those people were here legally, whereas the current group has come here illegally," said Donald Reay, executive director of the Southwest Border Sheriff's Coalition. "You end up with a double-edged sword. You want to deal with the humanitarian side but also have to deal with the rule-of-law side."

    Many of the migrants are young women with children who tell authorities they are fleeing unrest in their homelands. Not long ago, a Honduran woman barely made it across the river before giving birth among the park's red and blue picnic tables and signs warning "Children at Play."

    Some migrants cross on weekends and try to blend in with picnicking crowds in the park. But many willingly give themselves up, driven by reports in Central America that immigrants who arrive with children are being allowed to stay in the U.S. indefinitely. (Officials believe smugglers use some families as decoys to divert authorities' attention from other migrants crossing elsewhere.)

    We can stay temporarily and get money, and if we have to go, we go.
    - Honduran woman, who arrived in Texas because her 9-year-old son needs an eye operation she cannot afford
    One woman walking up the park riverbank this week with a boy made no attempt to flee when Sgt. Dan Broyles, a Hidalgo County deputy constable, approached. She toted two purses, as if headed to the mall — a stark contrast to migrants of years past, who girded themselves with survival gear to endure harsh treks through the desert.

    "Did you come on a raft?" Broyles, 51, asked in Spanish.

    Yes, the woman said, after traveling by bus from Honduras.

    "He's your son?"

    Yes, she said, 9 years old. The boy's left arm was in a cast, the result of falling out of a tree before their trip. Around his neck he wore a black-and-white cross woven from plastic lanyards.

    "Did you pay someone to cross?"

    She said she paid $1,000 — 10 times the going rate before the recent influx.

    Her son needs an eye operation she could not afford. She had heard that they would be allowed to stay in the U.S., at least long enough for her to find work and pay for the surgery.

    "We can stay temporarily and get money, and if we have to go, we go," she said with tears in her eyes before Border Patrol agents loaded them into a van headed for a station already overcrowded with migrants.

    Moments later, a Guatemalan woman walked up to Broyles out of the darkness, with her 15-year-old son and 2-year-old daughter. The boy carried his sister, who wore a frilly green dress and patent leather shoes.

    They had been hiding in the marsh, which was filled with tarantulas and lizards. Signs nearby warned of snakes.

    Their 15-day journey, she said, had begun after her husband abandoned her, and his brother kicked them out of the family home. Now her jeans, studded with pink rhinestones, were covered in mud and she was crying with relief.

    Border facilities in Texas and Arizona have quickly become overloaded. The McAllen Border Patrol station near here, which has space to detain 250 immigrants, instead houses 1,500 daily, according to Border Patrol Agent Chris Cabrera, vice president of the agents' union's local chapter. Other smaller stations in the valley are housing twice or three times their capacity, he said.

    Emergency shelters have been opened at military bases in Texas, Oklahoma and California — and at another facility in Arizona — but immigrant advocates and border agents have described the initial intake facilities on the border as badly overcrowded and ill-equipped to handle the onslaught.

    Mayeli Hernandez, a 12-year-old Honduran girl who made the trip with her 8-year-old sister, said the journey with smugglers wasn't as difficult as her four days in detention in McAllen last July.

    "We were there for four days without showering, without brushing our teeth," Mayeli said. "The guards were always angry. They told me that I was asking for too much water to drink."

    In a complaint filed last week with the federal Department of Homeland Security, five immigrant rights groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union Border Litigation Project, alleged that children in custody between the ages of 5 and 17 faced physical and sɛҳuąƖ abuse, overcrowding, freezing temperatures, inadequate water and spoiled food.

    Their 25-page report docuмented accounts of sɛҳuąƖ abuse, strip searches, a child who had to drink from a toilet tank, filthy restrooms and children forced to sleep on floors.

    Border Patrol officials have said they will look into the allegations. Cabrera said agents are also concerned about unsanitary conditions, such as the practice of quarantining sick immigrants behind a piece of yellow tape, strung across the room, that does little to protect agents or fellow migrants.

    Cleaning crews wipe the holding areas down regularly, but agents still fear contagious diseases, Cabrera said. "It's not just the disease issues, but the sheer amount of filth that's floating through the air."

    President Obama has directed federal agencies to address the widening crisis in the Rio Grande Valley, with new stopgap measures announced almost daily. Yet another temporary detention center is scheduled to open in McAllen, Texas, in a 55,000-square-foot warehouse, Cabrera said.

    In Arizona, state officials have rushed provisions, such as vaccines and other medical supplies, to a federal holding facility in Nogales that is being used to hold children who were caught crossing unaccompanied into the Rio Grande Valley.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say they don't have room to detain parents and children long-term.

    Children detained by immigration authorities are supposed to be held a maximum of 72 hours, then moved to temporary shelters, where they spend about a month on average before being placed with relatives or sponsors while their immigration cases are pending.

    But senior Obama administration officials who briefed reporters this week acknowledged that they haven't been able to meet the 72-hour requirement: There is simply not enough staff to process all the new arrivals.

    Once they are processed, the Border Patrol has been flying many families to other states and releasing them en masse at bus stations with notices to appear in immigration courts at their destinations.

    At the McAllen Greyhound station this week, volunteers set up tables of donations, then moved to a nearby church hall that was soon overwhelmed by immigrant mothers.

    Among them was Blanca Isabel Cruz, 36, who had brought her daughter Xenia, 13, across the river on a raft with smugglers after traveling north by bus from El Salvador. They planned to catch a bus to join relatives in Fredericksburg, Va. The family had migrated in stages: first her 15-year-old daughter with cousins; then her husband, a fisherman, with their 6-year-old daughter; then Cruz with Xenia.

    Cruz, a petite woman in a ponytail and a pink T-shirt, said they came because gang violence had worsened in their coastal city of La Union as a 2-year-old truce disintegrated between the country's two largest gangs and a new government failed to help.

    "There are gangs and delinquents all over the place," she said. "Here, it's safe."

    And the flow continues.

    At 11:26 p.m. Wednesday, nearly half an hour after Sgt. Broyles' shift ended, a woman and three boys approached his truck out of the dark.

    Belkin Rivera Hernandez, 24, said she'd heard television reports that single mothers would receive permission to stay in the U.S., and decided to try to cross with her son and two other boys from Honduras, hoping to meet her mother in Virginia.

    "The situation in Honduras is only getting worse," she said as Broyles handed her a chilled bottle of water, part of a supply deputies buy themselves for the migrants.

    Border Patrol agents arrived and loaded the family into a van with half a dozen other women and children.
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    35000 illegals coming into Texas every month
    « Reply #1 on: June 15, 2014, 01:17:58 AM »
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    ‘You’re going to let me go, just like you let my mother go, just like you let my sister go. You’re going to let me go as well, and the government’s going to take care of us,’



    This is basically an invasion and an aggressive incursion on Americans.  The socialist government is on their side and is willing to send mindless soldiers to fight you and die to protect these invaders.  

    The American people have no defense against this tactic by the current socialist government, nor does the American people have any kind of resolve whatsoever to do a single thing at all.

    Just play your XBoxes.  Everything's fine.  It's always been this way.  
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    35000 illegals coming into Texas every month
    « Reply #2 on: June 15, 2014, 11:48:46 AM »
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  • The Democrats have been waiting for this moment for a couple decades now.  

    As for fighting the good fight, let's not forget that the U.S. Was a Masonic country from the get go but now it's shocking its concept of private property.  And after 50 yrs of public schooling have inculcated the concept of this nation as a public restroom.

    These "new citizens" are going to be wanting their something for nothing but if this leads to any revolution or just simple social unrest, well, that was a contingency of the government's plan all along.

    It's a fairy tale that Republicans want these guys for cheap labor - these immigrants are going to bunch up in public housing and collect benefits.  They will spend what little disposal of income on their own people or send it home.  They won't be contributing any tax dollars and when the goodies run out they will be looking for someone to blame this problem on.  

    One good piece of information out of all of this?  I like Latinos as a group and I really dig Mexican food.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 11:56:48 AM »
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    That is not a Catholic attitude, crossbro.

    A nice high fence would do just fine if you're against illegal immigration.


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    35000 illegals coming into Texas every month
    « Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 12:10:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    The Democrats have been waiting for this moment for a couple decades now.  

    As for fighting the good fight, let's not forget that the U.S. Was a Masonic country from the get go but now it's shocking its concept of private property.  And after 50 yrs of public schooling have inculcated the concept of this nation as a public restroom.

    These "new citizens" are going to be wanting their something for nothing but if this leads to any revolution or just simple social unrest, well, that was a contingency of the government's plan all along.

    It's a fairy tale that Republicans want these guys for cheap labor - these immigrants are going to bunch up in public housing and collect benefits.  They will spend what little disposal of income on their own people or send it home.  They won't be contributing any tax dollars and when the goodies run out they will be looking for someone to blame this problem on.  

    One good piece of information out of all of this?  I like Latinos as a group and I really dig Mexican food.
    'bunch up in public housing and collect benefits' like most people you tend to generalize, that is prejudice.My father came over from Mexico in 1932, illegally.He spent time in Los Angeles before being drafted into the Army air Corp.For serving our country he was awarded citizenship.I am proud of my father,he fled from starvation during the depression seeking a better life.I stand here now as a financially successful American of Mexican and spanish origin,my daughter is going off to the University of Idaho this summer, the first to do so in my family.Your statement is cruel and hurtful to me, I can not believe you are posting this on a Catholic website? how about showing this post to a priest? what do think the response would be? the only thing you have right is that Mexicans are cheap source of labor? I suppose no one benefits from that cheap labor :furtive: humans abusing other humans is not a good thing..never has been.As a Catholic how do you think you should treat others that you consider to be parasites? by the way I like white people,I really dig cheese burgers.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 15, 2014, 01:00:34 PM »
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  • As a Catholic I am having a hard time trying to understand the hatred posted on this topic.I am praying that as Catholics you would be willing to approach the illegal immigration problem as a Christian? maybe looking into the root causes of why illegals do what they do? I believe the situation exists because of the sin of those in power on both sides of the border.corruption, greed,gluttony....to name just a few problems.Our only hope..as I see it is to promote social justice.The Catholic church seems to be doing that? maybe if we were all good Christians we would not abuse each other :fryingpan: maybe if Mexico was not so corrupt and if certain americans in power did not promote corruption, people would not have to seek out a better life.Mexico has an abundance of natural resources that obviously are being hoarded by the rich and powerful.I could be wrong... but putting up minefields at the border does not seem to be a Christian value.God Bless you all :incense:

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    « Reply #6 on: June 15, 2014, 02:21:04 PM »
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    ..as I see it is to promote social justice


    The social justice camp is what has destroyed the catholic church.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 15, 2014, 02:24:39 PM »
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  • Me too!   My heart goes out to these poor souls!  

    Our Lord said "man shall not live by bread alone"    Unfortunately we CANNOT take in the whole world who clamors to come here to "get a piece of the pie"  They are not coming here to find the true faith.

    Closing the border with a very high fence is part of the solution.  It could be accomplished  

    Here is an article about the flood of children rushing the border right now!  The agents were told not to inform the media of this.  Its certainly a plot!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657695/Known-gang-members-thousands-illegal-immigrant-children-storming-U-S-border-government-trying-silence-officers-talking-media.html
     


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    « Reply #8 on: June 15, 2014, 03:58:33 PM »
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  • I am a bit puzzled as to why someone would down thumb Matthew's OP.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #9 on: June 15, 2014, 04:06:16 PM »
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    I am a bit puzzled as to why someone would down thumb Matthew's OP.


    Yeah, me too. I just posted an article. Apparently they assumed my opinion on the issue and proceeded to disagree with it -- even though I didn't give one.
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    35000 illegals coming into Texas every month
    « Reply #10 on: June 15, 2014, 04:20:22 PM »
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    Border facilities in Texas and Arizona have quickly become overloaded. The McAllen Border Patrol station near here, which has space to detain 250 immigrants, instead houses 1,500 daily, according to Border Patrol Agent Chris Cabrera, vice president of the agents' union's local chapter. Other smaller stations in the valley are housing twice or three times their capacity, he said.

    Emergency shelters have been opened at military bases in Texas, Oklahoma and California — and at another facility in Arizona — but immigrant advocates and border agents have described the initial intake facilities on the border as badly overcrowded and ill-equipped to handle the onslaught.

    Mayeli Hernandez, a 12-year-old Honduran girl who made the trip with her 8-year-old sister, said the journey with smugglers wasn't as difficult as her four days in detention in McAllen last July.

    "We were there for four days without showering, without brushing our teeth," Mayeli said. "The guards were always angry. They told me that I was asking for too much water to drink."

    In a complaint filed last week with the federal Department of Homeland Security, five immigrant rights groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union Border Litigation Project, alleged that children in custody between the ages of 5 and 17 faced physical and sɛҳuąƖ abuse, overcrowding, freezing temperatures, inadequate water and spoiled food.

    Their 25-page report docuмented accounts of sɛҳuąƖ abuse, strip searches, a child who had to drink from a toilet tank, filthy restrooms and children forced to sleep on floors.


    This does seem to be a serious problem.

    Why are SO MANY souls in distant countries -- Central America is not exactly our neighbor -- so desperate to come here? Why is USA the only good place left on earth (is that even true?)

    I highlighted a few paragraphs that discuss the overcrowding and inadequate facilities.

    I must say -- what did they expect? They all came here without asking, not even legally. And let's not forget: the countries they came from did not just suffer a sudden man-made or natural disaster, unless you count "craphole country" as a man-made natural disaster.

    America is about to collapse financially any month now as it is. Now we're supposed to borrow/debase the dollar that much more, to build a massive state-of-the-art facility for illegals coming over the border?

    Seriously, can't they just stay in their own country? Do they have real NEEDS or just wants? Do they want "the good life", music, cell phones, flashy tire rims, make-up, etc. or do they just want things like food, shelter, and clothing? Because the necessities of life SHOULD be widely available in their own country -- again, it's not like a natural disaster has taken these necessities of life from them.

    I think it's well established that America is one of the most generous countries in the world when it comes to feeling everyone's pain whenever there's a hurricane, typhoon, tsunami, or other disaster.

    But seriously -- can huge populations from various poorer countries all come to live here, just because we have a generous population and a welfare state? What would that do to our country? Doesn't the USA have a right to not be inundated with refugees? We have to think about our own people as well.

    The whole concept of a "melting pot" country is a pretty new one, though. It's not exactly a time-tested idea. America is really an experiment -- and the jury is still out on the results.

    This is actually a topic that is very important for modern-day Catholics. What do you do if 200 people show up at your house, begging for food, when you barely have enough food for a family of 4 to live for a month? Should you try to save everyone?

    Or what if you had nuclear fallout in your area (which is dangerous to be around) and 60 people showed up because you're the only one with a 12' by 20' basement. Do you cram them in there like sardines and suffocate from heat and lack of ventilation, or do you turn some away, even though you virtually "condemn them to death"?

    I would be tempted to think that you are not killing someone unless you directly will their death -- unless you pull the trigger, so to speak. You are just sending them away from your overcrowded shelter. If they die, it's because a certain country named _____ nuked your country. THEY are the murderers. Plain and simple.

    Can you blame all the fallout/radiation related deaths in a large city on the handful of people with bomb shelters? Really? That doesn't seem reasonable.

    There is a common sense saying, "You can't save everyone." though I suppose we always have to try.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 15, 2014, 04:25:40 PM »
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    Me too!   My heart goes out to these poor souls!  

    Our Lord said "man shall not live by bread alone"    Unfortunately we CANNOT take in the whole world who clamors to come here to "get a piece of the pie"  They are not coming here to find the true faith.

    Closing the border with a very high fence is part of the solution.  It could be accomplished  

    Here is an article about the flood of children rushing the border right now!  The agents were told not to inform the media of this.  Its certainly a plot!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657695/Known-gang-members-thousands-illegal-immigrant-children-storming-U-S-border-government-trying-silence-officers-talking-media.html
     
    'They are not coming here to find the true faith' interesting.....I just returned from a Hispanic mass, filled to capacity at our Cathedral.I am Hispanic and   not bilingual however I could feel the Holy spirit's presence....awesome.Are you saying that none of us there were not feeling the true faith.I am new to this forum,I am interested what is a 'traditional Catholic' what I see on this thread is quite frankly very sad,mean spirited hate.Tell me, am I not welcome here as a Catholic,I guess I am a mainstream Catholic,we do not have a traditional church here in Boise.May I remind you of a historical fact? vast areas of this nation were occupied by Hispanics and before that native Americans.I am sure they were not happy about 'Caucasian' invaders.The point is we are all one race, the human race and we indeed have different cultures.From what I gather the Catholic church promotes social justice on a international basis and they have my full support.Tell me how did your family arrive here? did anyone protest they arrival?

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    « Reply #12 on: June 15, 2014, 04:37:35 PM »
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    Me too!   My heart goes out to these poor souls!  

    Our Lord said "man shall not live by bread alone"    Unfortunately we CANNOT take in the whole world who clamors to come here to "get a piece of the pie"  They are not coming here to find the true faith.

    Closing the border with a very high fence is part of the solution.  It could be accomplished  

    Here is an article about the flood of children rushing the border right now!  The agents were told not to inform the media of this.  Its certainly a plot!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657695/Known-gang-members-thousands-illegal-immigrant-children-storming-U-S-border-government-trying-silence-officers-talking-media.html
     
    'They are not coming here to find the true faith' interesting.....I just returned from a Hispanic mass, filled to capacity at our Cathedral.I am Hispanic and   not bilingual however I could feel the Holy spirit's presence....awesome.Are you saying that none of us there were not feeling the true faith.I am new to this forum,I am interested what is a 'traditional Catholic' what I see on this thread is quite frankly very sad,mean spirited hate.Tell me, am I not welcome here as a Catholic,I guess I am a mainstream Catholic,we do not have a traditional church here in Boise.May I remind you of a historical fact? vast areas of this nation were occupied by Hispanics and before that native Americans.I am sure they were not happy about 'Caucasian' invaders.The point is we are all one race, the human race and we indeed have different cultures.From what I gather the Catholic church promotes social justice on a international basis and they have my full support.Tell me how did your family arrive here? did anyone protest they arrival?


    Mr. SPQR, welcome to the forum.

    Yes, you are welcome here.

    ...IF you can dispense with the liberal "talking points" and blatant propaganda such as "what I see on this thread is quite frankly very sad,mean spirited hate".

    If that's what you truly see than you are too brainwashed to effectively participate on this forum anyhow. To function on a forum like this, you have to be able to SEE the truth and REASON. Brainwashing gets in the way of both.

    I have read over this entire thread and I haven't come across anything resembling "hate" yet. Believe me, I know very well what hate looks like in typed form. I've seen it plenty of times. I've been running this forum since 2006 and I've seen it all.

    If anything the slightest bit critical of immigration equals hate, then that's a different story. But your calling that "Hate" doesn't make it so.

    The issue is much more complicated than you think.

    I live in Texas, a very conservative and Republican (the lesser of two evils) state. Near the border, however, the districts vote almost 100% Democratic. Eventually the state of Texas with all its electoral votes will go to someone like Hillary Clinton or Obama or worse. That is a problem.

    These Hispanic immigrants aren't coming through Ellis island (legally) and joining America to start a life. No, many of them either won't work or can't work because there aren't THAT many jobs available (35,000 people a month, remember!) At least not the kinds of jobs they would qualify for (no grasp of English, etc.) Moreover, they couldn't take care of their OWN country politically so they're going to come here now? It's not like they had a Potato Famine or other natural disaster.

    So they burden the American social services. What about justice for the Americans? This is the only country we have. Where are we going to go once our country is ruined -- Guatamala?

    I'm all for different races and different peoples. I don't hate anyone. But God created a whole WORLD (not just the USA) and he meant for each nation to have its own home country. God isn't for a One World Government where everyone is a mixed-race Citizen of the World. God wants us all to be members of the Catholic Church, but He wants us to keep our other forms of identity.

    The Jєωs are trying to destroy all national identity so they can make their satanic One World Government.

    Long story short: If Obama is letting this happen, it's to hasten the destruction of America and to further the cause of the ʝʊdɛօ-Masons. So it's certainly a bad thing. And most people understand instinctively how destabilizing such an influx of people can be.

    Oh, and by the way a lot of Irish immigrants came to America (legally, speaking English) in the late 1800s. And you know what? We were indeed persecuted for our heritage as well as our Faith. Signs read, "No Irish need apply." We had to prove ourselves with lots of hard work (railroads, household servants, construction, etc.) and it took decades to get "accepted" into the body of Americans at large.

    And let's not forget the American propaganda against the Germans during World War I and II.

    So now it's your turn. And considering that Irish and German immigrants actually had a lot in common with the average, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant American (European ancestry, English as a primary language), I'd say these illegal immigrant Hispanics should expect a bumpier ride. (You realize, of course, that both Irish and Germans are notorious for blending in with their new home. You don't hear Germans speaking German in public in America, even if German is their first language. And the Irish have been losing their Gaelic language for centuries)

    So deal with it.
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    Offline crossbro

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    35000 illegals coming into Texas every month
    « Reply #13 on: June 15, 2014, 06:42:58 PM »
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    I must say -- what did they expect? They all came here without asking, not even legally. And let's not forget: the countries they came from did not just suffer a sudden man-made or natural disaster, unless you count "craphole country" as a man-made natural disaster.


    They come here because they know they can get away with it.

    Ironically, even though Obama has been a failure in regards to securing the border, he has been the harshest president in trying to resove the problem in decades.

    One problem is the Novus Ordo Church supporting illegal immigrants- my own diocese takes my own money and provides legal assistance for them, fighting my own govt against people breaking the law.

    My bishop is from Mexican decent and marched two miles with illegals then held a mass for them. Okay, but I have never one time seen him pour resources against abortion nor has he ever been to any event at the cities only and very busy abortion clinic.

    We have our military back in the country now, I think every army and marine division should be rotating battalions or brigades into bases set up along the border. Instead of setting up camps for those detained, the govt should be shipping them home on cheap freight ships and any country refusing them boycotted.

    If they want to come here they need to get in line and do it legally.

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    35000 illegals coming into Texas every month
    « Reply #14 on: June 15, 2014, 09:37:37 PM »
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    I am a bit puzzled as to why someone would down thumb Matthew's OP.


    Yeah, me too. I just posted an article. Apparently they assumed my opinion on the issue and proceeded to disagree with it -- even though I didn't give one.


    Well, it seems that simply mentioning that it was down thumbed is down thumb worthy.   :smirk:
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