Author Topic: 3 moral ?s (Read 2759 times)

Raoul76 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:23:04 PM »

Just to play devil's advocate, St. Thomas Aquinas said it was disordered to find pleasure in eating dead bodies. Cannibalism in extreme circuмstances would not be anyone taking pleasure.

Just because cremation is wrong doesn't mean that other kinds of manipulation of dead bodies is wrong IN EXTREME CIRcuмSTANCES. The example of bodies being burnt during the plague is interesting.

I hope personally that if I am in that situation, that I refrain from snacking on cadavers, but I strongly doubt anyone would go to hell for it. In fact, since no one is sure if it's a sin or not, you can't go to hell for it.

I don't think you can say "It's so obvious it's a sin the Church never said anything about it." Most things are not as obvious as they first appear; read Jesuit theology. And bestiality being obviously wrong didn't keep God from specifically mentioning it. The reality is that without God's wisdom humans are capable of anything; there are no depths to which we won't sink.

I think the Church left it ambiguous. Some people in an apocalyptic situation will be weak and eat dead bodies. Others won't. It's surely better not to, but I can't say it's a sin to do it. It's just degrading.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:39:38 PM »

You are using a totally fake catechism, Santo Subito.

I sometimes read Catholic Answers, and if it weren't so sad, it would be hilarious to watch these people try to figure out tricky moral questions. All morality in that imitation of the Church is random and manmade, just like it is with the Prots, because the Holy Ghost is not guiding the "Pope" ( who is not Pope, so that's to be expected ).

One thread was about how illegal immigration was a mortal sin. Meanwhile, others defend it vociferously, as so many in the Novus Ordo seem to do. Those who said it was a "mortal sin" refer to how illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, while in the CCC it says that this is theft and against the Seventh Commandment.

Okay, first of all, cheating on taxes is not theft and was never considered such before Vatican II. We may have a moral obligation to pay taxes, but that is not the same as theft, because the money doesn't belong to the government; it's ours and they simply take it for various civic purposes, hopefully ( and sometimes evil purposes ). And if a Mexican immigrant who picks lettuce doesn't pay his taxes, the government is losing such an infinitesimal amount compared to the trillions they have... And a lot of it is funny money anyway. So at worst, it would be a venial sin, most likely.

So right here, flowing from the error that cheating on taxes is the mortal sin of theft, you get the ridiculous Pharisee notion that illegal immigration is mortal sin. By this logic, the Catholics who infiltrated England to bring the Mass to the Catholics under Henry VIII were mortally sinning.

Then you have others who see no problem with just breaking every civic law, like the bishops who encourage illegal immigration in VII.

I don't know the answer, but I do know that these extremes these people go to are absurd. Illegal immigration is a big grey area. We should obey just laws, but how just many of them are is in debate. Also, the law against illegal immigation is basically on paper only. Meaning it's not really enforced, and is even secretly or not-so-secretly encouraged by this blatant laxism. It's like the speeding laws. Does anyone really go 60 on the freeway? You'd probably be ticketed if you went that slow in the fast lane! So it is not a mortal sin, but clearly some of these immigrants should try harder to make things work in their own nation.

Vatican II is a total grab-bag, it has nothing to do with real morals. You are poisoning your brain reading that junk.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #17 on:** January 05, 2012, 03:42:11 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

You are using a totally fake catechism, Santo Subito.

I sometimes read Catholic Answers, and if it weren't so sad, it would be hilarious to watch these people try to figure out tricky moral questions. All morality in that imitation of the Church is random and manmade, just like it is with the Prots, because the Holy Ghost is not guiding the "Pope" ( who is not Pope, so that's to be expected ).

One thread was about how illegal immigration was a mortal sin. Meanwhile, others defend it vociferously, as so many in the Novus Ordo seem to do. Those who said it was a "mortal sin" refer to how illegal immigrants don't pay taxes, while in the CCC it says that this is theft and against the Seventh Commandment.

Okay, first of all, cheating on taxes is not theft and was never considered such before Vatican II. We may have a moral obligation to pay taxes, but that is not the same as theft, because the money doesn't belong to the government; it's ours and they simply take it for various civic purposes, hopefully ( and sometimes evil purposes ). And if a Mexican immigrant who picks lettuce doesn't pay his taxes, the government is losing such an infinitesimal amount compared to the trillions they have... And a lot of it is funny money anyway. So at worst, it would be a venial sin, most likely.

So right here, flowing from the error that cheating on taxes is the mortal sin of theft, you get the ridiculous Pharisee notion that illegal immigration is mortal sin. By this logic, the Catholics who infiltrated England to bring the Mass to the Catholics under Henry VIII were mortally sinning.

Then you have others who see no problem with just breaking every civic law, like the bishops who encourage illegal immigration in VII.

I don't know the answer, but I do know that these extremes these people go to are absurd. Illegal immigration is a big grey area. We should obey just laws, but how just many of them are is in debate. Also, the law against illegal immigation is basically on paper only. Meaning it's not really enforced, and is even secretly or not-so-secretly encouraged by this blatant laxism. It's like the speeding laws. Does anyone really go 60 on the freeway? You'd probably be ticketed if you went that slow in the fast lane! So it is not a mortal sin, but clearly some of these immigrants should try harder to make things work in their own nation.

Vatican II is a total grab-bag, it has nothing to do with real morals. You are poisoning your brain reading that junk.

:applause:

Marcelino · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2012, 05:05:56 PM »

I don't think we have what they call "an honest broker" in our ruling regime. So, when it comes to questions like these, I think they'll use the exception to the rule as a wedge, to get it accepted in a general sense. I'm not suggesting a way to respond to that, I'm just saying, that's what I think will happen: cannablism will be accepted as normal behavior. :scared2:

s2srea · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2012, 05:23:54 PM »

Just heard about this on the news:

Dutch Hosts Eat Human Flesh On Television