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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2020, 05:40:22 PM »
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How would an unbaptized baby be justified? Traditional BOD is only for those with the use of reason.  But justification excludes mortal sin.
An unbaptized baby is justified in the sense that they are free from PERSONAL mortal sin, though still stained with Original Sin.  A person who dies after desiring Baptism, but before receiving the remission of Original Sin through the sacrament, is in the same condition...in theory.  Trent does not tell us what happens to a justified, but unbaptized person.  Nowhere in Church history are we told what we have to believe on this, so the speculation continues.  This is all Fr Feeney was pointing out, and he was doing so because many liberal catholics of the 40s/50s were preaching a "de fide" salvation-for-all-sincerely-good-people.  This culminated in the heresies of V2.
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Offline Stanley N

Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2020, 06:01:04 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 14, 2020, 05:40:22 PM
An unbaptized baby is justified in the sense that they are free from PERSONAL mortal sin, though still stained with Original Sin.  A person who dies after desiring Baptism, but before receiving the remission of Original Sin through the sacrament, is in the same condition...in theory.
No, there is a huge difference between an unbaptized baby and an adult justified though BOD. The adult is justified, and has sanctifying grace. The state of sanctifying grace is uncertain (contra certain Protestant beliefs) but if it is granted that some adult died justified via BOD, then we should expect eternal reward for that adult.

I am aware that since V2, some speculate aborted babies get a BOB. Let's just consider only an ordinary baby who dies without baptism. In standard pre-V2 theology, that baby is not justified and is not in a state of grace.
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