Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 ... 12

Author Topic: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance  (Read 5920 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Clemens Maria

Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2020, 08:44:06 AM »
Quote from: Banezian on February 12, 2020, 08:41:44 AM
Baptism of Desire which is De fide according to St. Alphonsus
And according to Ott, it is not de fide.
Logged

Offline Clemens Maria

Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2020, 08:44:33 AM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on February 12, 2020, 08:44:06 AM
And according to Ott, it is not de fide.
However, Fr. Feeney did not deny BOD.
Logged

Offline Pax Vobis

  • Supporter
Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2020, 08:55:10 AM »

Quote
Q. Can a man be saved without baptism?
   A. He cannot, unless he have it either actual or in desire, with contrition, or to be baptized in his blood as the holy Innocents were, which suffered for Christ.

This is what St Thomas thought too.  As well as St Alphonsus.  One could make the argument that this lines up with Trent.
.
If all Catholics who preach BOD used the above definition, with ALL of its requirements, then the debate over BOD would be over.  I have no problem with the above, nor would Fr Feeney, since it does not water-down EENS.  Fr Feeney was fighting the pre-V2, salvation-for-all, one-world-religion, modernists;  He was not fighting the above.
Logged

Offline Banezian

Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2020, 09:02:23 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on February 12, 2020, 08:55:10 AM
This is what St Thomas thought too.  As well as St Alphonsus.  One could make the argument that this lines up with Trent.
.
If all Catholics who preach BOD used the above definition, with ALL of its requirements, then the debate over BOD would be over.  I have no problem with the above, nor would Fr Feeney, since it does not water-down EENS.  Fr Feeney was fighting the pre-V2, salvation-for-all, one-world-religion, modernists;  He was not fighting the above.
The above is my position as well as that of Hugon, Garrigou-Lagrange, etc. Which pre-V2 theologians taught salvation for all/world religions?
Logged

Offline Ladislaus

  • Supporter
Re: 19th Century Catechisms, BOD, BOB, Invincible Ignorance
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2020, 09:18:48 AM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on February 12, 2020, 08:44:33 AM
However, Fr. Feeney did not deny BOD.

Correct.  This attack on BoD is nothing but a smokescreen for those who deny EENS dogma.  Very few of them restrict BoD to catechumens and therefore essentially hold that non-Catholics can be saved, which is heresy.  I love it how the heretics try to make the charge of heresy.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 ... 12
« previous next »