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Offline Incredulous

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13th Day (Fatima Movie)
« on: October 13, 2017, 09:45:12 PM »
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  • This is a great video!   :chef:

    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2017, 01:00:26 AM »
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    This full length movie is a much more complete depiction of the characters in the story than in the other movies I've seen on Fatima. They have not shied back from showing the less attractive aspects of certain figures, and as such is more convincing, with better character development.
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    And I don't see any hint of liberal agenda lying under the surface. They even use a frank creativity, making small changes to the original script and known facts to be more in line with a conservative or traditional sense. Some details are wrong, but nothing of great importance, it seems. How they could have pulled this feat off after 2009 is surprising. Obviously not a Hollywood production!
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    They completely ignore the theory of the two Lucys, saying she died in 2005.
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    I like the way they have the Portuguese crowd singing songs in harmony, sounding like a good choir.
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    It gives a good idea of the difficulties these simple people went through; Fatima was not a cake walk.
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    I highly recommend this movie, but it's not so good for young children. Maybe a PG13 rating.
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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 04:52:14 AM »
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  • 100 years of Fatima.
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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #3 on: October 14, 2017, 06:28:16 PM »
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    The cinematography is nice in this movie; they take time to show scenery and changes in expression on actors' faces over several seconds of screen time. Taking a black-and-white setting then fading-in of color when they are depicting an apparition of Mary is a nice touch. The music is good for this movie. The movie has a lot of aspects that make it easy to watch, which is good when the unbecoming traits shown of some characters could be a turn-off if the movie didn't somehow make up for those things.
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    Anyone watching this should know that it is not historically correct in many places. That's become rather expected in movies, since they take liberal license to change history in films just to allow the director more "artistic freedom" to make the movie superficially appealing.
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    For example, they show flower-petal-like flakes drifting down from the sky after the Miracle of the Sun made a loud noise, and they show people reaching up to catch them as they fell. Well, there was no loud noise made by the sun, and there was no orchestra playing on October 13th, 1917. Those petal-like flakes did not fall that day, but rather they had fallen a month earlier on September 13th during the penultimate apparition. And when they fell, the petals never reached the ground nor was anyone able to touch them, as they individually vanished into thin air when they came close to being within reach of people. It is appropriate that no explanation or meaning is given to the falling petals because none of the children ever said they had understood what it meant, nor did they ask the lady in the vision to explain them. An informed viewer can recognize the depiction of those falling petals as a "flash-back" or memory of what had happened a month before, but superimposed on the moment the sun had appeared about to crash into the earth. As such, as an artistic element, it is actually quite creative and effective, but it should not be seen as the petals having really fallen just in that way nor precisely at that time.
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    Another example is when they depict Jacinta lying in bed at the Lisbon hospital as she died:  they show blood running like a tear from the corner of her right eye. Jacinta is not described anywhere as having "cried tears of blood" so it must be a poetic or symbolic visual effect the director was after there. They made no mention of the diagnosis of Doctor Castro Freire, "purulent pleurisy with fistula, osteitis of the 7th and 8th ribs" which necessitated the surgical removal of those 2 ribs,  done without anesthesia. Instead, they say she died of influenza, which is not true. It was her brother, Francisco, who died from the flu epidemic of that time, but not Jacinta. She died from suffocation and infection, because breathing was very painful for her (pleurisy, or infection of the pleura, the membrane lining the lung cavity). Any photographs of her actual wound and superating side would have been a lot more gruesome that a single tear of blood. Although, in her last hours she was inexplicably free from the pain of her illness. The story of Jacinta's last days could be the topic for an entire movie of its own, so perhaps for simplicty's sake they reduced it to a few short and wordless scenes. They show her father visiting her there, but actually it was her mother who had come to visit shortly before Jacinta died, and it was true that she died with no one present as the movie shows. Jacinta had made a friend of one of the nurses in the hospital but the movie makes no allusion to that, nor of the wonderful intervention of Mother Godinho at the orphanage in Lisbon before Jacinta went in for her operation.

    There are a lot of details like that that are missing in the film, but other attributes of the movie are pretty impressive, such as the scenes in the holding cell where Jacinta dances with one prisoner and then the children start praying but end up with all the men in the jail praying along with them. That is part of the real record. It would seem that they were removed from the jail because their presence there was turning the men into holy prisoners, and the Ourem Administrator was afraid he would get in trouble for letting the place go to "ruin" if that kept up, since his Freemason boss had his own ideas about how a jail cell should be, and prayer was not on the list.
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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #4 on: October 14, 2017, 07:36:41 PM »
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  • I saw the movie a couple of months ago, and I didn't like it.  Maybe I just have sensitive eyes.  But, it is like non stop combination of black and white bright and dark shots with high pitched female angel singing/background music with a poor background accent of sr lucy talking all feeble like the whole time.  Way too much going on the whole time.  If the movie was fresh in my mind I could probably express myself better.  But, I didn't like it. 
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #5 on: October 14, 2017, 07:51:48 PM »
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  • I saw the movie a couple of months ago, and I didn't like it.  Maybe I just have sensitive eyes.  But, it is like non stop combination of black and white bright and dark shots with high pitched female angel singing/background music with a poor background accent of sr lucy talking all feeble like the whole time.  Way too much going on the whole time.  If the movie was fresh in my mind I could probably express myself better.  But, I didn't like it.
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    That's interesting. You make some good points. It seems they attempted to bring the story up to pace with current movie style. That in itself is somewhat of an impossible task since today's styles don't have much to do with what happened there in 1917.
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    It occurred to me that for someone studying Spanish and has an interest in Fatima, this movie would make a good lesson in the Spanish language -- they could pause it and copy all the subtitles which are a literal/cultural translation of the words being spoken and displayed in English. A number of the words are not one-for-one literally the same but the entire phrases are given totally accurate translations into Spanish in a way that retains the context and meaning quite precisely. It's certainly not a Google-trans. It's very well-done and professionally translated.
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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #6 on: October 15, 2017, 12:41:42 AM »
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  • I recall there being lots of overlapping footage/film shots with background music with a blurred rustic style visual effect done to the entire film.  All of that combined turned me off.  
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15

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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #7 on: October 15, 2017, 12:59:35 AM »
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    That's interesting. You make some good points. It seems they attempted to bring the story up to pace with current movie style. That in itself is somewhat of an impossible task since today's styles don't have much to do with what happened there in 1917.
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    It occurred to me that for someone studying Spanish and has an interest in Fatima, this movie would make a good lesson in the Spanish language -- they could pause it and copy all the subtitles which are a literal/cultural translation of the words being spoken and displayed in English. A number of the words are not one-for-one literally the same but the entire phrases are given totally accurate translations into Spanish in a way that retains the context and meaning quite precisely. It's certainly not a Google-trans. It's very well-done and professionally translated.
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    In Portugal, one speaks Portuguese, not Spanish.
    Was the movie in Spanish?
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #8 on: October 15, 2017, 07:31:56 AM »
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  • I thought the film was very good, but my children like it at all, too thought provoking perhaps...

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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 10:28:31 PM »
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  • In Portugal, one speaks Portuguese, not Spanish.
    Was the movie in Spanish?
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    The movie as shown is in English, with Spanish subtitles. Apparently they did the written text for Spanish viewers. Maybe there is a Portuguese version, too.
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    For those interested in a very good talk given by a solid Catholic priest, check this out.
    All about Fatima, the Third Secret, what the Fatima Message means to us, and what we can do.
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    I thought the film was very good, but my children [didn't?] like it at all, too thought provoking perhaps...
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    Neither the movie in the OP nor the speech I post the video for here are going to be attractive to children.
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    The kids are not going to enjoy seeing people being hateful toward each other and they won't understand the filial correction questions for the pope regarding sacramental practice or fidelity in marriage.
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    Re: 13th Day (Fatima Movie)
    « Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 11:44:09 PM »
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    The movie as shown is in English, with Spanish subtitles. Apparently they did the written text for Spanish viewers. Maybe there is a Portuguese version, too.
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    For those interested in a very good talk given by a solid Catholic priest, check this out.
    All about Fatima, the Third Secret, what the Fatima Message means to us, and what we can do.
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    Neither the movie in the OP nor the speech I post the video for here are going to be attractive to children.
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    The kids are not going to enjoy seeing people being hateful toward each other and they won't understand the filial correction questions for the pope regarding sacramental practice or fidelity in marriage.
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    Growing up in these deceitful times is very difficult for children. We must pray for our youth that they may be saved.
    Lord have mercy.


     

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