Author Topic: 1 Corinthians question (Read 766 times)

love alabama · « **on:** December 13, 2011, 08:18:57 AM »

can someone explain to me what this verse means. Why does St Paul mention women specifically that they should not talk when men too should not talk in Churches to observe the silence? Can someone explain this?

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1 Corinthians chapter 14
[34] Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. [35] But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

nadieimportante · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2011, 08:25:03 AM »

Give a man a fish and you feed him for one day.
Teach a man to fish, and he feeds himself for life.

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s2srea · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »

Nadi is right, Haydock is THE ESSENTIAL bible for Catholics. Its also a little expensive. So, for the meantime, here's an internet version of it :wink:

http://haydock1859.tripod.com/

Granted, he doesn't say much about these specific verses, but don't let that discourage you from accessing the Haydock version often!

I wonder if he's speaking about liturgy..?

Perhaps not; it may be as it is written.

Sigismund · « **Reply #3 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:05:40 PM »

I think this verse means that women should not teach or speak officially in church in Corinth.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

I think this verse means that women should not teach or speak officially in church in Corinth.

Do you think the sort of problem this remark is supposed to address to be confined to First Century Corinth, or do you think it's a problem with allowing women to be vocally demonstrative and the chaos that causes?

But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

There is simply a great danger in allowing the "society of women" to be in a position to veto the quiet sense of the ordinary man. But that is precisely how modern society is organized, whoever manipulates the women controls the society, and if any man dares to oppose the women, they can destroy his reputation.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:29:36 PM »

The man in his own house has a status that is totally erased in a mixed group.

All mixed social activity (outside perhaps extended families) needs to be well organized according to rules, otherwise all sorts of evils caused by social manipulators will rise up. Worst of all is when a crowd of demonstrative women are permitted to undermine the position of the men.

This is what happens when the patriarchal system is replaced by the social intercourse of the salon - and its crass vulgarization - the contemporary school/workplace - the man who tries to honestly deal with the mixed group must be exceeding careful and tactful, if he fails to observe the rules the crowd of women set, speaks too frankly . . .

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. . . these are secrets which you must keep inviolably, if you would not, like Orpheus, be torn to pieces by the whole sex; on the contrary, a man who thinks of living in the great world, must be gallant, polite, and attentive to please the women. They have, from the weakness of men, more or less influence in all courts; they absolutely stamp every man's character in the beau monde, and make it either current, or cry it down, and stop it in payments. It is, therefore, absolutely necessary to manage, please, and flatter them: and never to discover the less marks of contempt, which is what they never forgive;

- Lord Chesterfield.

The Church is the last place where this sort of social dynamic should be in the ascendant. It's supposed to be a refuge from that sort of thing, where order and common sense are maintained for the worship of God, rather than to be violated by the whims of women.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** December 13, 2011, 12:54:06 PM »

Lord Chesterfield speaks of maenads.

For many women, the "party" and "social gathering" with music and drinking is the central event of their lives - far more than worship. As a society becomes ever more corrupt, the crowd of women become more like maenads.

The man who loves purely - (in the case of Orpheus, whose music transcends their carnality) - that man is their inevitable victim.

Sigismund · « **Reply #7 on:** December 13, 2011, 06:00:59 PM »

St. Paul was writing to the Church in Corinth. I did not mean to suggest, however, that it would not apply elsewhere.