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Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 06:58:18 PM »
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  •  :) Nice
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    Offline Nadir

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    Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
    « Reply #2 on: December 01, 2017, 03:52:53 AM »
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  • Wonderful to behold these great monuments to the early faith.

    Quite a different picture here of a 4th century church I visited in Ravenna which is still operational
    http://www.zonzofox.com/ravenna/what-to-see/explore/attractions/chiesa-di-san-giovanni-evangelista

    While my absolute favourite is Santa Prassede in Rome, a stone's throw from Santa Maria Maggiore. http://www.arttrav.com/rome/santa-prassede-mosaics/
    There was an oratory built in 150AD over the home of St Prassede, sister of St Timothy, where their father Pudens gave hospitality to St Peter. A church was built there in 5th century and the present one dates from the early 9th century. Santa Prassede begged God for matyrdom, as she felt she could no longer bear the suffering involved in tending the bodies of the martyrs. He granted her heart's desire.

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    Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
    « Reply #3 on: December 02, 2017, 07:04:57 PM »
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  • I forgot to say that the Church of Santa Prassede contains the pillar at which Jesus was scourged.

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
    « Reply #4 on: December 02, 2017, 07:52:42 PM »
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  • Wonderful to behold these great monuments to the early faith.

    Quite a different picture here of a 4th century church I visited in Ravenna which is still operational
    http://www.zonzofox.com/ravenna/what-to-see/explore/attractions/chiesa-di-san-giovanni-evangelista

    While my absolute favourite is Santa Prassede in Rome, a stone's throw from Santa Maria Maggiore.
    http://www.arttrav.com/rome/santa-prassede-mosaics/

    There was an oratory built in 150AD over the home of St Prassede, sister of St Timothy, where their father Pudens gave hospitality to St Peter. A church was built there in 5th century and the present one dates from the early 9th century. Santa Prassede begged God for matyrdom, as she felt she could no longer bear the suffering involved in tending the bodies of the martyrs. He granted her heart's desire.
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    The Church has always held commemoration of the Holy Martyrs in the highest regard, and for very good reason. They believed and practiced the Faith with every fiber of their being, even to the point of sacrificing their own life for it. All the Apostles are remembered for being martyrs (even St. John who died of natural causes but remember he has two Feast Days, one on May 6th, St. John Outside the Latin Gate, which recalls when he was boiled alive in a great cauldron of oil, suffering the pains thereof -- but he then emerged invigorated, healthy and appearing YOUNGER than he had been!) which is their testimony to their unfailing fidelity. Therefore, the Martyrs must have had something to die for!
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    How many of today's Catholics would be willing to die for the Faith? 
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    That's something worth thinking about. Am I ready? It's a question we ought to be asking.
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    There is a Psalm that says, "My heart is ready." We can expect that was the case with St. Jean d'Arc. Her heart would not burn, even when smothered with burning sulphur, which they say drove the executioner mad and he carried it to the river and threw it in.
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    We live in an age when recent martyrs are all but ignored. How many Catholics have been slaughtered by Moslems because of their faith in recent years? Do we even know their names?
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    I have a tape (1957, rec. in Australia) of Fr. Aidan McGrath who was a Legion of Mary missionary in Red China. He testifies he knew many priests who died in prison there, and tells how the very insidious Communists tortured them but would not let them die. They knew that the blood of Christians is the seed of Christianity. He had survived their torments by constant prayer, which he believed was inexplicable, but it was the reason they let him go. The Communists let such priests go free with the confidence that the world would never believe what they had to say about the Red Chinese monsters, and that the liberal press would drown out their story. Apparently they were largely correct.
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    Today's so-called catholic church prefers the warm-and-fuzzy feelgood approach, looking for all the reasons to DISbelieve the tradition of what happened to our Martyrs, and the result is ignoring what happens right in front of our eyes.
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    Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
    « Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 09:41:03 PM »
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    I have a tape (1957, rec. in Australia) of Fr. Aidan McGrath who was a Legion of Mary missionary in Red China. He testifies he knew many priests who died in prison there, and tells how the very insidious Communists tortured them but would not let them die. They knew that the blood of Christians is the seed of Christianity. He had survived their torments by constant prayer, which he believed was inexplicable, but it was the reason they let him go. The Communists let such priests go free with the confidence that the world would never believe what they had to say about the Red Chinese monsters, and that the liberal press would drown out their story. Apparently they were largely correct.
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    Today's so-called catholic church prefers the warm-and-fuzzy feelgood approach, looking for all the reasons to DISbelieve the tradition of what happened to our Martyrs, and the result is ignoring what happens right in front of our eyes.
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    Is this the same tape, Neil:
    http://www.jmjsite.com/a/69/69t1s1.mp3
    http://www.jmjsite.com/a/69/69t1s2.mp3

    I listened to 10 of the first and then about the same of the second, where he relates some of those stories of the martyrs.

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    Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
    « Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 06:17:08 PM »
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  • Is this the same tape, Neil:
    http://www.jmjsite.com/a/69/69t1s1.mp3
    http://www.jmjsite.com/a/69/69t1s2.mp3

    I listened to 10 of the first and then about the same of the second, where he relates some of those stories of the martyrs.
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    Fr. Aidan McGrath, recorded in Australia, 1957, about his experiences for over 10 years in China running the Missions, and note how he doesn't take any credit for it -- he  says the Legion spreads itself, or  the real heroes are the Chinese Catholics, like Noelle ("N-o-e-double l-e")-- he names a few, and claims we should know their names because our children revere Hop-a-long Cassidy, Bill Haley, Marylin Monroe and Davey Crockett. What would he have to say about the likes of John Lenon, Jim Morrison, David Bowie and Michael Jackson (to name some of the less offensive ones)?
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    Sorry I just now noticed your question! Yes, the first one is the same as the tape I have, a cassette from Keep the Faith. I can't listen to the second one yet. Thanks for the links! I have played this one tape in my car many times to the point where I should have it memorized -- after all, it's on Memorex! This priest was a tremendous example of the natural faith the Irish religious had, and it seems to me, ALL the Irish inherit this religious sense, if they would only nurture it and preserve it. The corruption of the modern world is pandemic and it even has corrupted most of the Irish today, sad to say.
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    Re: 1,782 Years Old: Inside the Oldest Church in the World
    « Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 06:25:20 PM »
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    I said, There is a Psalm that says, "My heart is ready."
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    Apparently there are two Psalms that say that, 56:8 and 107:2.
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    [2] Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy on me: for my soul trusteth in thee. And in the shadow of thy wings will I hope, until iniquity pass away. [3] I will cry to God the most High; to God who hath done good to me. [4] He hath sent from heaven and delivered me: he hath made them a reproach that trod upon me. God hath sent his mercy and his truth, [5] And he hath delivered my soul from the midst of the young lions. I slept troubled. The sons of men, whose teeth are weapons and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword. [6] Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens, and thy glory above all the earth. [7]They prepared a snare for my feet; and they bowed down my soul. They dug a pit before my face, and they are fallen into it. [8] My heart is ready, O God, my heart is ready: I will Sing, and rehearse a psalm. [9] Arise, O my glory, arise psaltery and harp: I will arise early. [10] I will give praise to thee, O Lord, among the people: I will sing a psalm to thee among the nations. [11] For thy mercy is magnified even to the heavens: and thy truth unto the clouds. [12] Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens: and thy glory above all the earth.
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    [2] My heart is ready, O God, my heart is ready: I will sing, and will give praise, with my glory. [3] Arise, my glory; arise, psaltery and harp: I will arise in the morning early. [4] I will praise thee, O Lord, among the people: and I will sing unto thee among the populations. [5] For thy mercy is great above the heavens: and thy truth even unto the clouds. [6] Be thou exalted, O God, above the heavens, and thy glory over all the earth: [7]That thy beloved may be delivered. Save with thy right hand and hear me. [8] God hath spoken in his holiness. I will rejoice, and I will divide Sichem and I will mete out the vale of tabernacles. [9] Galaad is mine, and Manasses is mine and Ephraim the protection of my head. Juda is my king: [10] Moab the pot of my hope. Over Edom I will stretch out my shoe: the aliens are become my friends. [11] Who will bring me into the strong city? who will lead me into Edom? [12] Wilt not thou, O God, who hast cast us off? and wilt not thou, O God, go forth with our armies? [13] O grant us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man. [14] Through God we shall do mightily: and he will bring our enemies to nothing.
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