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Monday, August 5, 2013

"They Knowingly Lie" -- Franciscans of the Immaculate Defend Themselvesin Official Statement

(Rome), the Franciscans of the Immaculate seem to have caught on after a first moment of shock. The Order has now responded with two official clarifications to a number of false reports that were apparently and deliberately circulated in connection with the decree of the Congregation of Religious. Both explanations are directed against Vatican Insider . The Order has precisely recognized, that this news platform are some Vaticanists, from which emanated the article with false reports. "They are lying and know that they are lying," said Messa in Latino about the behavior of some journalists. Unaudited reports were adopted by Catholic media and broadly disseminated. In recent days, it has been repeatedly claimed that it was not about the Old Mass in the whole thing. In reality, it is first and foremost on the Old Mass.Vatican Insider as a Smoke Screen against the Franciscans of the Immaculate and the Old MassEven the report of the commissarate over the Order of Alessandro Speciale on July 30th was a smoke screen. Speciale reported on the actions of the Congregation of Religious, but also mixed a number of false reports in the article that were to serve to justify the extraordinary measures. For this purpose, he presented a supposed "spokesman of the Order," which he had cited in detail, thus giving the false impression that these were official statements. In reality, it was a leading representative of the "rebellious, progressive minority" (Roberto de Mattei). The statements of the alleged "speaker" was a single ignition out of smoke grenades, which were taken as stated by many Catholic media.The supposed "spokesman" justified the Roman intervention allegedly because the order had been "exploited" as a "mediator" in the unification talks between the Holy See ands the SSPX (lie 1). He also described the ominous internal "poll" (lie 2) as the first in circulation, and even an "overwhelming majority" (lie 3) of the members of the order report that they would reject an "exclusive" celebration (lie 4) Tridentine Mass "especially in pastoral care in the parishes."So it went on 2 August at Vatican Insider with the article about the unconvincing attempt by Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi to placate in the matter of the Franciscans of the Immaculate. This time the article was no longer marked by name.Slanderous allegations against the founder of the Order and the Old MassThe statement by Father Lombardi was clearly then apparently much for the order. Franciscan Sister of the Immaculate contemplative branch . Now the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate Conception have a first official clarification. That an order which is under provisional control, is not necessarily a given. The Order concluded with the statement that the only speaker of the order continues to be Father General Alessandro Apollonio alone. This is a finding which clearly goes against the false statements of the alleged "speaker" spread by the media.In the declaration of the order states that the product of Vatican insider "includes defamatory statements against our Founding Father Stefano Maria Manelli, assertions that we must reject. The article also contains false or inaccurate information. "The Premise for the Decision is "not the truth"Vatican Insider claimed that the "decision of Pope Bergoglio" was justified by the fact that the "Father General Stefano Manelli has forced all communities of the Franciscans of the Immaculate to exclusively say the extraordinary form of the Roman rite in the liturgy."In contrast, the official statement of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate Conception says: "This is not true. It is our duty to respond to the best of our knowledge and belief, Father Stefano has never imposed exclusive use of the Old Rite on all communities. "Rather, he celebrates himself in both forms of the Roman rite. It is important to know that the official explanation that, before, during and after the Apostolic Visitation (July 2012-July 2013) as well as today, that the Old Mass was used following a promotion by the Father General with the General Council was "completely legitimate" and advanced "the Vetus Ordo in Respect to the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм (2007), in respect of the decisions of our General Chapter of 2008 and in respect of the instruction Universae Ecclesiae (2011)".By letter dated 21 November 2011 (Protocol 77/2011) was transmitted by the Secretary-General on behalf of the General Council to all branches of the order some guidelines for use of Vetus Ordo (no rules, therefore they represented also no compulsion)."Even after that some communities have preferred to continue the New Rite instead of the Old Rite. There was apparently therefore no compulsion exerted by Father Manelli. "Some brothers have, however, criticized the letter," said the order in its statement. "Some brothers" apparently already felt the possibility of celebration of the Old Rite went too far and were intriguing against Rome.Ecclesia Dei Confirmed the Internal Promotion of the Old Mass in Accordance with Benedict XVI.In the official statement of the order it said, "For this reason we have asked the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei for clarification, in the letter of 14 April 2012, Prot 39/2911L, the compliance of the letter Prot 77/2011 with the "mens" of the Holy Father Benedict XVI. was confirmed in the Instruction Universae Ecclesiae, No. 8."The anonymous article from Vatican Insider also claimed that the Old Rite could be used only for orders and communities who have been in the "Lefebvrian schism", but were then returned to communion with Rome and placed under the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei."In reality, it is necessary to clarify that according Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм (No. 3) and the Instruction Universae Ecclesiae (No. 8a) the Vetus Ordo may be exclusive or 'primarily' may be used by religious institutions that are not of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, and not dependent on coming from the Lefebvrian 'schism'". Besides that, it was never intended to come to an exclusive use by our founder," said the order in its statement.It was argued further by the article in Vatican Insider: "The Franciscans of the Immaculate, however, are created after the Council and a survey of the brothers has shown that the majority of them wants the celebration in the ordinary rite."The order took exception here as well: "The fact that we weren't created until after the Council, does not prohibit us of the Franciscans of the Immaculate, to accept the Old Rite or favor. Incidentally, the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм applies (which was published after the Council) and the Institutes of Consecrated Life (without reference to their date) and also the instruction Universae Ecclesiae specifies that it is that goal 'of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificuм at No. 8, all the faithful the Roman Liturgy in usus antiquior offer because it is a valuable treasure that must be preserved."Among 'all believers' is included also the religious."There was never any "poll" for New Mass - assertion "unfounded"Regarding the claim of the "survey" and an alleged "majority" of the brothers for the New Rite, (in explanation of the Franciscans of the Immaculate Conception is also expressly mentioned by Speciale in the article from July 30th mentioned by Vatican Insider), according to the official statement of the order, there had been "no survey". "Therefore, the allegations of surveys by an alleged desire of a majority of the brothers is without foundation." Since the order was always bi-ritual, every priest of the order would "continue" to celebrate the New Rite, "as he has always done before." Without further explicitly addressing it, the order firmly asserts execute that there is no justification for the intervention of Rome against the Old Mass.". Regardless of our obedience to the instructions of the Holy See, it is our duty to provide clarity to avoid slander against our founder and hurdles for a peaceful course of the provisional administration."Tornielli has set out with a hoax - Franciscans react immediately with the second explanation. In the Declaration, the Congregation for Religious, stressed that their current term Decree was expressly brought by the approval of Pope Francis.In defense of Vatican Insider it is to add that the first official clarification by the order was issued in full on Sunday.The Congregation for Religious does not seem to have been concerned about the impact the decree has made decree on pastoral care.Not only internal to the order, especially for the sister monasteries, but also for the numerous Mass locations in the Old Rite, which are managed by the order. Countless believers are deprived of the Old Mass on the 11th of August, to which they had been long accustomed. The resulting logistical problems and spiritual nature of these believers has not been addressed at all by the Congregation of Religious. Not a word of regret or of encouragement. If it goes against the tradition of the progressive parts of the Roman Curia, and so they behave like a bull in a china shop, and this against a worthy and entirely correctly celebrated liturgy and made the believers to orphans.A small reconnaissance trip through the parishes in which members of the disobedient priest initiatives in the German speaking involved would suffice to create an abuse register that cries out for intervention. There is enough action. One does not have to look elsewhere for it.Text: Giuseppe NardiImage: Franciscans of the ImmaculateTrams: Tancred vekron99@hotmail.comAMGDTancred at 10:11 AMShare

3 comments:

michaelclifton@btinternet.comAugust 5, 2013 at 12:42 PMI am sorry but the Franciscan Sisters who help Fr John Hartley at Sanderstead in Surrey, were ordered to leave the Parish by Headquarters following a definitive ruling by the then superior that the Old Rite had to be used by all priests supplying convents of the order even if they were not themselves members.. This was the case at Sanderstead. They were recalled to the Philippines. When that ordered was rescinded by the ruling in favour of New Rite they were allowed to stay on. That is the case as I know Fr Hartley and his Franciscan Sisters.I am a retired priest of the Diocese of Southwark, England and former diocesan Archivist.ReplyTancredAugust 5, 2013 at 12:50 PMFather, I'm not sure I understand your post, but I think this is a situation involving a Mass to be said for the benefit of the laity, yes?ReplyFrereRabitAugust 5, 2013 at 1:11 PMThis is a poor translation which can only add to the confusion over this whole issue. The original can be read in Italian here: http://blog.messainlatino.it Frankly, that is confusing enough, even without a bad English translation!

I can't help but think that there is more to this than meets the eye. We should reserve judgment.

Well, I no longer need to reserve judgment about you.

You're a jackass. A liar. A troll. A plant. And an agent.

ARTICLE: ""Some brothers" apparently already felt the possibility of celebration of the Old Rite went too far and were intriguing against Rome"

BUT the "Old Rite" was the Catholic mass for 1500+ years, it is the mass that made the saints. The new mass is not steeped in Catholic tradition, it was made to be more friendly to protestants and have a protestant character. Is this really the same One Holy Catholic and Apostolic church in Rome IF its supporters think that Catholic religion can only be expressed up to a point and no further because Rome will take offence? Is there some sort of poison in the Vatican that all the cardinals drink of? I cant believe they sell out Catholic doctrine so easily, the results of it are obvious, the church is falling apart, vocations have gone through the floor. Is there some explanation for old cardinals becoming totally against Catholic tradition if they reach a certain age, is it because they don't feel strong enough to guide the young, or is it they got that position because they were excessively liberal to start with. Shocking as usual stuff from the Vatican.

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I can't help but think that there is more to this than meets the eye. We should reserve judgment.

Well, I no longer need to reserve judgment about you.

You're a jackass. A liar. A troll. A plant. And an agent.

I find many of poche's posts foolish and annoying, but I think you are reacting emotionally here. He might be a plant, but his above statement certainly doesn't prove it by any rational criteria.

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Quote from: poche

I can't help but think that there is more to this than meets the eye. We should reserve judgment.

Well, I no longer need to reserve judgment about you.

You're a jackass. A liar. A troll. A plant. And an agent.

I find many of poche's posts foolish and annoying, but I think you are reacting emotionally here. He might be a plant, but his above statement certainly doesn't prove it by any rational criteria.

Since everybody has Poche pegged as a novus ordite, and since his posts are largely harmless, I highly doubt he's a plant.  He's probably just a guy who goes to the novus ordo, claps his hands while singing "Gather Us In", shakes hands with the abortion provider standing next to him then uses that same hand to receive the novus ordo "communion".

It's curious how swiftly problems can be solved by the simple solution of banning the Mass.

Other problems go unsolved for the entire lifetime of the people involved, the orders, priests, parishes, etc. Retirement seems to be the solution, until.. the replacement arrives.

Plastic cups for Communion? No comment. Our Lord's body brushed off hands underfoot? Unmentionable. Modesty? It's all relative. Sacred Altars? What does sacred mean? Television? Our exorcists say go watch it! Marriage? Folks don't know enough beforehand so annulments OK. (Curious they don't know isn't it?)

Mysterious unknown problems invisible to the naked eye? Why solving them is simple: Ban the Holy Mass.

Hmmmm. Is something wrong here? Perhaps? Just perhaps?

What do you think? What could the problem be that requires banning the Mass?

Might not an other solution be a little better?

The situation with the FFI is somewhat difficult to understand. If I'm reading the situation correctly, the leadership of the FFI (the same leaders who wanted the TLM and celebrated it) are the one's who have gone on record that Tornielli (Vatican Insider) have knowingly lied about the situation with the FFI, which has resulted in the suppression of the TLM by the Pope.

What is especially troubling is that Rorate Caeli is not concerned that one of their main sources for information for traditionalists has been accussed of intentionally lieing, which has resulted in the suppression of the TLM. I would think that this is a big deal. Why would Tornielli intentionally lie? He could only do it so that the TLM and tradition would be suppressed for the FFI. But Rorate Caeli isn't concerned about this. Will Rorate Caeli still use Tornielli as a reliable source of info? It's mind boggling.

It's an old Marxist ploy. Someone pretends to be supportive of something, when in reality they (Tornielli) are really against it (the TLM and tradition). What better way to undermine the cause of tradition than the subvert it by pretending to be for it (or at least sympathetic), when in reality the opposite is the case?