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"They hate us for our freedom"
« on: March 21, 2007, 12:50:34 PM »
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  • I can't remember who said that (or when) but if true, it is the most ridiculous piece of propaganda there ever was.

    Anyhow, let's see who is the MOST free (HINT: It isn't the USA!)
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    "They hate us for our freedom"
    « Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 12:56:12 PM »
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  • I believe that it was our most eloquent president!
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

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    "They hate us for our freedom"
    « Reply #2 on: March 21, 2007, 12:57:07 PM »
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  • That was my guess --

    Without a TV, and not reading everything that comes from Bush's mouth, I'm not surprised a missed a few "nuggets".

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    "They hate us for our freedom"
    « Reply #3 on: March 21, 2007, 02:50:47 PM »
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  • Incarceration rates?  Why not rate "freedom" by limits on gun ownership?
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    « Reply #4 on: March 21, 2007, 03:30:28 PM »
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  • Well, there are other metrics that we could use as well...

    But I just find it interesting that the USA has the highest percentage of its population -- almost 1 out of every 100 people -- behind bars, with ZERO freedom!

    800 is very close to 1,000

    1,000 out of 100,000 is "1 out of 100"!

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    "They hate us for our freedom"
    « Reply #5 on: March 21, 2007, 03:45:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: CampeadorShin
    Why not rate "freedom" by limits on gun ownership?


    Sadly, too many in this country do just that - not realizing their liberty has already been completely undermined.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #6 on: March 21, 2007, 05:41:10 PM »
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  • Then what should we rate "freedom" by?... :confused1: :scratchchin:
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    « Reply #7 on: March 21, 2007, 09:13:28 PM »
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  • Freedom, or liberty, is nothing but a means to an end.  It is only 'itself' (so to speak) insofar as it is properly exercised - which means that it is used to choose the good.  Otherwise, it is some form of its contrary - slavery.  "Free countries" may be known as much by what they outlaw as what they permit, for they must outlaw that which is evil just as much as allowing and supporting that which is good.
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    "They hate us for our freedom"
    « Reply #8 on: March 22, 2007, 04:21:01 AM »
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  • In Australia the government has caught a hideous disease called privatisation. It suffers this ailment to such an extent it has even infected the prison system, so now our gaols are run by private businesses. If I own shares in what is now the incarceration industry surely I have the right to expect the same as every other investor out there, an increase in shareholder value.

    If the incarceration provider is not building a new wing here and a new gaol there, the share holders are going to get rowdy. So what to do? In Australia we just stuff them full of Aboriginals which aids the goverments ongoing genocide program and the poor, because, at the end of the day, who gives a stuff about either of them. Certainly not anyone able or indeed responsible for doing so, that's for sure. Those who do care about what's happening are too powerless or fearful to make any difference.

    We look pretty good on that graph, but I'd like to see one from 5 years ago and another in 5 years time. Her Majestys Prison Incorperated is booming out of control and these beds simply must be filled to keep those grubby enough to invest in this filthy industry at bay.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 22, 2007, 11:48:43 AM »
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  • You can't judge freedom by incarceration rates unless you are suggesting criminals should be allowed to prey on the rest of society with inpunity.
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