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Maria Auxiliadora · « **on:** June 21, 2012, 02:28:10 PM »

I wasn't sure were to post this comment but thought it may be helpful (?)

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/guidelines-for-celebrating-year-of-faith-revealed/

Guidelines for celebrating Year of Faith revealed
By David Kerr

Vatican City, Jan 5, 2012 / 01:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican issued guidelines Jan. 5 for how the Church at all levels should celebrate the Year of Faith, which starts in October 2012.
A summary of the guideline docuмent, which was produced by the Congregation for the Doctrine, was released on Jan. 5, but the full text will be published Saturday, Jan. 7.
The introduction to the guidelines explains that the Year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the Church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.”
The Year of Faith was announced by Pope Benedict XVI last year in his apostolic letter “Porta Fidei.” It will begin on October 11, 2012, the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council. It also coincides with the 20th anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The year will end on November 24, 2013, the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ Universal King.
The docuмent from the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation offers a sketch of what should take place at every level of the Church during the Year of Faith.
At the universal level, the Pope will engage in various events, including the solemn opening of the Year of Faith, the Assembly of the Synod of Bishops in Rome, and World Youth Day 2013 in Brazil. There will also be “various ecuмenical initiatives” aimed at “the restoration of unity among all Christians,” including “a solemn ecuмenical celebration in which all of the baptized will reaffirm their faith in Christ.”
Bishops’ conferences will focus on increasing the “quality of catechesis.” Some of the efforts in this area will involve examining “local catechisms and various catechetical supplements in use in the particular Churches,” in order “to ensure their complete conformity with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.”
The Vatican body also hopes that the bishops’ conferences will use the media to evangelize, such as “television and radio transmissions, films and publications focusing on the faith, its principles and content.”
At the level of dioceses, the Year of Faith is expected to provide an occasion for “renewed creative dialogue between faith and reason,” among both the academic and artistic communities. It should also be a year for “penitential celebrations” in which Catholics can “ask for God's forgiveness, especially for sins against faith.”
In local parishes, the Vatican would like to see a focus on the liturgy, especially the Eucharist, since in it the “mystery of faith and source of the new evangelization, the faith of the Church is proclaimed, celebrated and strengthened.”
Religious institutes, new communities and ecclesial movements are also expected to take their lead in celebrating the Year from the pastoral guidelines.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith hopes that the Year of Faith will make the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism “more widely and deeply known” throughout the Church.
“From the beginning of his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI has worked decisively for a correct understanding of the Council,” says the docuмent, “rejecting as erroneous the so-called ‘hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture’ and promoting what he himself has termed ‘the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in continuity.’”
The Vatican’s doctrinal congregation says that their pastoral recommendations are aimed at helping people encounter Christ and grow in their understanding of the Catholic faith. At the same time, it adds, the guidelines are not meant to rule out “other initiatives which the Holy Spirit will inspire among Pastors and faithful in various parts of the world.”
The docuмent concludes by announcing the creation of a secretariat to help coordinate the Year of Faith. It will be established within the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization.
______________________________________________________________________________
Now...
PORTA FIDEI
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI FOR THE INDICTION OF THE YEAR OF FAITH
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/motu_proprio/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20111011_porta-fidei_en.html#_ftnref7
...The starting date of 11 October 2012 also marks the twentieth anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, a text promulgated by my Predecessor, Blessed John Paul II,[3] with a view to illustrating for all the faithful the power and beauty of the faith. This docuмent, an authentic fruit of the Second Vatican Council, was requested by the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops in 1985 as an instrument at the service of catechesis[4] and it was produced in collaboration with all the bishops of the Catholic Church. Moreover, the theme of the General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops that I have convoked for October 2012 is “The New Evangelization for the Transmission of the Christian Faith”. This will be a good opportunity to usher the whole Church into a time of particular reflection and rediscovery of the faith. It is not the first time that the Church has been called to celebrate a Year of Faith. My venerable Predecessor the Servant of God Paul VI announced one in 1967, to commemorate the martyrdom of Saints Peter and Paul on the 19th centenary of their supreme act of witness...
___________________________________________________________________________________

Pope Paul VI abolished the Oath Against Modernism, in July of 1967, (the last "Year of the Faith") A Coincidence??? What else is ahead and planned for this coming up "Year of the Faith"? Would + Fellay have an answer? Some may want to review Jonh Vennari's article "The Oath against Modernism Abolished"

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2012, 02:52:40 PM »

Link to John Vennari's article:

http://www.cfnews.org/oathmodbtryd.htm

I guess the title is: The Oath Against Modernism Betrayed

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2012, 09:40:17 PM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

I wasn't sure were to post this comment but thought it may be helpful (?)

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/guidelines-for-celebrating-year-of-faith-revealed/

Guidelines for celebrating Year of Faith revealed
By David Kerr

Vatican City, Jan 5, 2012 / 01:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- The Vatican issued guidelines Jan. 5 for how the Church at all levels should celebrate the Year of Faith, which starts in October 2012.
A summary of the guideline docuмent, which was produced by the Congregation for the Doctrine, was released on Jan. 5, but the full text will be published Saturday, Jan. 7.
The introduction to the guidelines explains that the Year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the Church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.”
The Year of Faith was announced by Pope Benedict XVI last year in his apostolic letter “Porta Fidei.” It will begin on October 11, 2012, the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council. It also coincides with the 20th anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The year will end on November 24, 2013, the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ Universal King.
The docuмent from the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation offers a sketch of what should take place at every level of the Church during the Year of Faith.
At the universal level, the Pope will engage in various events, including the solemn opening of the Year of Faith, the Assembly of the Synod of Bishops in Rome, and World Youth Day 2013 in Brazil. There will also be “various ecuмenical initiatives” aimed at “the restoration of unity among all Christians,” including “a solemn ecuмenical celebration in which all of the baptized will reaffirm their faith in Christ.”
Bishops’ conferences will focus on increasing the “quality of catechesis.” Some of the efforts in this area will involve examining “local catechisms and various catechetical supplements in use in the particular Churches,” in order “to ensure their complete conformity with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.”
The Vatican body also hopes that the bishops’ conferences will use the media to evangelize, such as “television and radio transmissions, films and publications focusing on the faith, its principles and content.”
At the level of dioceses, the Year of Faith is expected to provide an occasion for “renewed creative dialogue between faith and reason,” among both the academic and artistic communities. It should also be a year for “penitential celebrations” in which Catholics can “ask for God's forgiveness, especially for sins against faith.”
In local parishes, the Vatican would like to see a focus on the liturgy, especially the Eucharist, since in it the “mystery of faith and source of the new evangelization, the faith of the Church is proclaimed, celebrated and strengthened.”
Religious institutes, new communities and ecclesial movements are also expected to take their lead in celebrating the Year from the pastoral guidelines.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith hopes that the Year of Faith will make the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism “more widely and deeply known” throughout the Church.
“From the beginning of his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI has worked decisively for a correct understanding of the Council,” says the docuмent, “rejecting as erroneous the so-called ‘hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture’ and promoting what he himself has termed ‘the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in continuity.’”
The Vatican’s doctrinal congregation says that their pastoral recommendations are aimed at helping people encounter Christ and grow in their understanding of the Catholic faith. At the same time, it adds, the guidelines are not meant to rule out “other initiatives which the Holy Spirit will inspire among Pastors and faithful in various parts of the world.”
The docuмent concludes by announcing the creation of a secretariat to help coordinate the Year of Faith. It will be established within the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization.
______________________________________________________________________________
Now...
PORTA FIDEI
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
BENEDICT XVI FOR THE INDICTION OF THE YEAR OF FAITH
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/motu_proprio/docuмents/hf_ben-xvi_motu-proprio_20111011_porta-fidei_en.html#_ftnref7
...The starting date of 11 October 2012 also marks the twentieth anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, a text promulgated by my Predecessor, Blessed John Paul II,[3] with a view to illustrating for all the faithful the power and beauty of the faith. This docuмent, an authentic fruit of the Second Vatican Council, was requested by the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops in 1985 as an instrument at the service of catechesis[4] and it was produced in collaboration with all the bishops of the Catholic Church. Moreover, the theme of the General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops that I have convoked for October 2012 is “The New Evangelization for the Transmission of the Christian Faith”. This will be a good opportunity to usher the whole Church into a time of particular reflection and rediscovery of the faith. It is not the first time that the Church has been called to celebrate a Year of Faith. My venerable Predecessor the Servant of God Paul VI announced one in 1967, to commemorate the martyrdom of Saints Peter and Paul on the 19th centenary of their supreme act of witness...
___________________________________________________________________________________

Pope Paul VI abolished the Oath Against Modernism, in July of 1967, (the last "Year of the Faith") A Coincidence??? What else is ahead and planned for this coming up "Year of the Faith"? Would + Fellay have an answer? Some may want to review Jonh Vennari's article "The Oath against Modernism Abolished"

Illuminati ritual mockery.

Vatican II and Novus Ordo is a mockery to the true Catholic faith and Tridentine Latin Mass.

The Year of the "Faith" starts on the 50 year anniversary of the beginning of Vatican II false Council which eclipsed the Faith with a counter-Church.

This Year of the "Faith" is a ritual mockery in and of itself because it declares credence to ritual mockery that started with Vatican II. It is a ritual mockery built upon another ritual mockery.

AlligatorDicax · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2012, 06:06:57 PM »

There's so much irony in the Vatican's "Jan 5, 2012" announcement that if each were individually pointed out, this thread could stretch to a huge number of pages.

With my special interest in the liturgical calendar, I noticed:

Quote

The Year of Faith [....] will end on November 24, 2013, the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ Universal King.

Isn't that the Novus Ordo name for the Feast of Christ the King (Pius XI, Quas Primas, 1925)?

This particular irony is that the traditional date for the feast in 2013, i.e., the universal date if it hadn't been for changes in the liturgical calendar by Paul VI (Mysterii Paschalis, 1969), is October 27 (my own computations, which might warrant independent verification).

Sigismund · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2012, 08:14:55 PM »

As opposed to all the years without faith, I guess.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2012, 02:54:15 AM »

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

I wasn't sure [where] to post this comment but thought it may be helpful (?)

Guidelines for celebrating Year of Faith revealed
By David Kerr

Vatican City, Jan 5, 2012 / 01:12 pm (CNA/EWTN News).

The Vatican issued guidelines Jan. 5 for how the Church at all levels should celebrate the Year of Faith, which starts in October 2012.

A summary of the guideline docuмent, which was produced by the Congregation for the Doctrine, was released on Jan. 5, but the full text will be published Saturday, Jan. 7.

The introduction to the guidelines explains that the Year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the Church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.”

The Year of Faith was announced by Pope Benedict XVI last year in his apostolic letter “Porta Fidei.” It will begin on October 11, 2012, the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council. It also coincides with the 20th anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The year will end on November 24, 2013, the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ Universal King.

The docuмent from the Vatican’s doctrinal congregation offers a sketch of what should take place at every level of the Church during the Year of Faith.
At the universal level, the Pope will engage in various events, including the solemn opening of the Year of Faith, the Assembly of the Synod of Bishops in Rome, and World Youth Day 2013 in Brazil. There will also be “various ecuмenical initiatives” aimed at “the restoration of unity among all Christians,” including “a solemn ecuмenical celebration in which all of the baptized will reaffirm their faith in Christ.”

Bishops’ conferences will focus on increasing the “quality of catechesis.” Some of the efforts in this area will involve examining “local catechisms and various catechetical supplements in use in the particular Churches,” in order “to ensure their complete conformity with the Catechism of the Catholic Church.”

The Vatican body also hopes that the bishops’ conferences will use the media to evangelize, such as “television and radio transmissions, films and publications focusing on the faith, its principles and content.”

At the level of dioceses, the Year of Faith is expected to provide an occasion for “renewed creative dialogue between faith and reason,” among both the academic and artistic communities. It should also be a year for “penitential celebrations” in which Catholics can “ask for God's forgiveness, especially for sins against faith.”
In local parishes, the Vatican would like to see a focus on the liturgy, especially the Eucharist, since in it the “mystery of faith and source of the new evangelization, the faith of the Church is proclaimed, celebrated and strengthened.”

Religious institutes, new communities and ecclesial movements are also expected to take their lead in celebrating the Year from the pastoral guidelines.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith hopes that the Year of Faith will make the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism “more widely and deeply known” throughout the Church.

“From the beginning of his pontificate, Pope Benedict XVI has worked decisively for a correct understanding of the Council,” says the docuмent, “rejecting as erroneous the so-called ‘hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture’ and promoting what he himself has termed ‘the ‘hermeneutic of reform,’ of renewal in continuity.’”

The Vatican’s doctrinal congregation says that their pastoral recommendations are aimed at helping people encounter Christ and grow in their understanding of the Catholic faith. At the same time, it adds, the guidelines are not meant to rule out “other initiatives which the Holy Spirit will inspire among Pastors and faithful in various parts of the world.”

The docuмent concludes by announcing the creation of a secretariat to help coordinate the Year of Faith. It will be established within the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization.

______________________________________________________________________________

Now...

PORTA FIDEI OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF BENEDICT XVI FOR THE INDICTION OF THE YEAR OF FAITH

...The starting date of 11 October 2012 also marks the twentieth anniversary of the publication of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, a text promulgated by my Predecessor, Blessed John Paul II,[3] with a view to illustrating for all the faithful the power and beauty of the faith. This docuмent, an authentic fruit of the Second Vatican Council, was requested by the Extraordinary Synod of Bishops in 1985 as an instrument at the service of catechesis[4] and it was produced in collaboration with all the bishops of the Catholic Church. Moreover, the theme of the General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops that I have convoked for October 2012 is “The New Evangelization for the Transmission of the Christian Faith”. This will be a good opportunity to usher the whole Church into a time of particular reflection and rediscovery of the faith. It is not the first time that the Church has been called to celebrate a Year of Faith. My venerable Predecessor the Servant of God Paul VI announced one in 1967, to commemorate the martyrdom of Saints Peter and Paul on the 19th centenary of their supreme act of witness...
___________________________________________________________________________________

Pope Paul VI abolished the Oath Against Modernism, in July of 1967, (the last "Year of the Faith") A Coincidence??? What else is ahead and planned for this coming up "Year of the Faith"? Would + Fellay have an answer? Some may want to review Joh Vennari's article, "The Oath against Modernism Abolished"

What else, indeed! I'm sure +Fellay has an answer, but he's not going to share it.

Quote from: ascent

Illuminati ritual mockery.

Vatican II and Novus Ordo is a mockery to the true Catholic faith and Tridentine Latin Mass.

The Year of the "Faith" starts on the 50 year anniversary of the beginning of Vatican II false Council which eclipsed the Faith with a counter-Church.

There is a much deeper observation to make here, on several levels:

It starts on the very DAY that is 50 years after the DAY when John23rd gave his
Commencement Address, the speech in which he made public his PACT WITH THE
DEVIL, but using different terms, less honest than that.

October 11th is traditionally the Feast of the Maternity of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
That's another Feast Day the Modernists abolished when the also abolished the
Feast of the Circuмcision on January 1st and replaced it with the "Mother of God."
In typical Modernist fashion, they used a venerable title, Mother of God, to make
the excuse of abolishing TWO other traditional Feast Days. Getting rid of the
Circuмcision made the Jєωs happy, for that's one of their "hard line" topics they
don't want to be reminded about.

That's the day, October 11th, 1962, when in the Opening Speech J23 announced
the satanic plan of NOT CONDEMNING ERROR and the plan has been in FULL
FORCE ever since.

That was the Devil's D-Day!!

The plan had been going on already for about 4 years, but that's the day it
became official. Making it a public act fits with the way the devil requires the
evidence from his ritual to be left for public observation, for all to see.

This "Year of the Faith" is not the Faith of Catholics but the faith of devil
worshippers. That's not to say they are all devil worshippers in the Vatican,
but they are at LEAST stupidly cooperating with devil worship in the Vatican,
whether or not they are aware of the fact. This includes the Pope. Even so,
this is still the One, True Church, but it is very, very sick.

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This Year of the "Faith" is a ritual mockery in and of itself because it declares credence to ritual mockery that started with Vatican II. It is a ritual mockery built upon another ritual mockery.

Very well stated! A ritual mockery built upon another ritual mockery!

It is a Sin Against the Holy Ghost, an Unforgivable Sin, for it ridicules the
infinite mercy of God into the Face of God Himself, in the august name of the Holy
Ghost, Who is Blessed forever, Amen.

It is an abomination of abominations, let the reader understand!

Quote from: AlligatorDicax

There's so much irony in the Vatican's "Jan 5, 2012" announcement that if each were individually pointed out, this thread could stretch to a huge number of pages.

Let the Stretch Begin ------------------------------------> in Earnest!

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With my special interest in the liturgical calendar, I noticed:
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The Year of Faith [....] will end on November 24, 2013, the Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ Universal King.

Isn't that the Novus Ordo name for the Feast of Christ the King (Pius XI, Quas Primas, 1925)?

Traditionally, that is, until the Feast Days were moved around like game pieces on
a checker board with the only possible reason being to instill confusion in the
faithful, in the words of the venerable and perceptive Brother Francis, M.I.C.M.,
RIP, the Feast of Christ the King was wisely placed in the week before the Feast
of All Saints every year. Sometimes then, it would fall on Halloween, or what the
Lutherans like to call their "Reformation Day," but Catholics don't have to pay
any attention to what the Lutherans like or don't like, because they're heretics,
who SHOULD be "religiously" ignored.

Along came the Movement of Confusion, a sort of indigestion, if I may be so
crass, and abolished the Feast of Christ the King and established the new
"Solemnity of Jesus Christ Universal King" at the END of the liturgical year,
seeming to say that the reign of our heavenly King is not of this world (they
even quote Our Lord's words to back this up!) and therefore we need not
think of it for any more than a day or three before Advent begins, and we
start thinking about Christmas again. You see, when the Feast of Christ the King
is the last Sunday in October, it gives us a whole month, the Month of the Holy
Souls in Purgatory, to think about our objective of establishing the reign of Jesus
Christ, King, here on earth -- the only way we are going to achieve any kind of
world peace.

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This particular irony is that the traditional date for the feast in 2013, i.e., the universal date if it hadn't been for changes in the liturgical calendar by Paul VI (Mysterii Paschalis, 1969), is October 27 (my own computations, which might warrant independent verification).

Yes, the last Sunday in October is on the 27th in 2013: next year.

This year, A.D. 2012, it falls on October 28th.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #6 on:** June 25, 2012, 03:35:31 AM »

When the Pope calls for a "year of faith," Catholics can continue practicing the
Faith of our Fathers as we always have. We can add some additional prayers,
and even do some additional penances.

But knowing what we know of how things are going, and in the context of
the Modernist continuation of a most foul stream of diabolical disorientation for
the past 50 years starting with the most infamous Opening Speech given on the
Feast of Our Lady's most holy Maternity, we can know that there is an abiding
UNHOLINESS about this so-called year of faith. Therefore, seeing as how a
grave disobedience to the Law of God is being committed in this so-called
year of faith, we may be prudent to offer our prayers and sacrifices in
reparation for the evil done in the NAME of a good thing.

B16 is announcing this so-called year of faith knowing full well that it is
squarely centered on promoting MORE of all the things that have been WRONG
with the Church for the past 50 years. What's the sense in that?

Well, if you have your head on straight, there's no sense in it.

But we're talking about someone with more than one spiritual screw loose,
to say it kindly. This immensity of muddled thinking could only be the result of
a dire, colossal ERROR in the past, and it is squarely founded in the silencing
of Our Lady's Third Secret of Fatima, which has a direct bearing on this
fateful day of October 11th, 1962.

It was HER maternity, after all! A woman's maternity is very important to her;
but This Particular Maternity was of infinite importance to EVERYONE who
would be saved. For this is the Maternity that not only brings to us Our Lord and
Savior, it is the Maternity that provides for us our basis in becoming Children of
God, without which there is no salvation, for it is through the mystical maternity
of Our Blessed Mother that we are "born again" into eternal life. She is the Gate
of Heaven, the Mother of all the Saved, House of Gold, Refuge of Sinners,
Mystical Rose, and Tower of Ivory. But I digress.

When Angelo Roncalli was elected Pope, he was very sick. It may have been
not too long after the election that he was seen by a private physician who
told him that he had terminal cancer. But this was strictly kept from any publicity,
and the Pope never told anyone. This is why he was in such a hurry to start
the Council, which he thought would only take a few months. He knew he did
not have much time to live and so he didn't mind being hasty with the
announcement to get the Council going, even though he did not have any good
reason to start it. There had never been an oecuмenical council held for no
dogmatic reason, with no intention of condemning error. He had no intention of
it being a dogmatic council, and he explained that clearly in the infamous
Opening Speech. On this one basis alone, Vatican II can be officially expunged
from the record, for it literally had no purpose and no dogmatic objective.

There is a lot more to say about this......................................................

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2012, 04:24:21 PM »

Why are they calling it a "year" of faith?

If it was really "a year," it would end on the same date, a year after it starts!

But it starts on October 11th, 2012 and goes on till late November, 2013.

That's more than 13 months. Grammatically, if it's more than one, it's plural.

So they should say:

"A Year, approximately, of faith," or,
"A Year, round figures, of faith," or,
"A Year, more or less, of faith," or,
"A Year, so to speak, of faith," or,
"A Year, as it were, of faith," or,
"A Year, if you will, of faith," or,
"A Year, as they say, of faith," or,
"A Year, give or take, of faith," or,
"A Year, plus or minus, of faith," or,
"A Year, or thereabouts, of faith," or,
"A Year, generally speaking, of faith," or,
"A Year, in a manner of speaking, of faith," or,
"A Year, as they may lead you to believe, of faith," or,

some such, similar thing.

On the other hand, since the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church, as
well as in multiple elements of sanctification and truth found outside of her,
perhaps this "Year of Faith" is really also a year of OTHER faiths?

........ Some sources say there will be a new edition of the 1962 missal during that time ........ :scratchchin:

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2012, 01:27:07 AM »

When did this " year of ____" business start? Seems like under JPII, but I could be wrong. Aren't all of these "year of's" typically ignored by Catholics? Isn't it impossible to meditate on something for an entire year?

Besides that, isn't it ironic that 50 years after VCII, which was supposed to be a blessing on the Church to propel Her forward in the modern age, we need a "year of Faith" because most Catholics have lost theirs?

The Feast of Christ the King used to be right before election day in the US as a reminder of Christ's social Kingship before Catholics voted. As previous posters nicely point out, the Novus Ordites most intentionally moved the Feast to the last Sunday of the liturgical year and relate it to the end of the world and Christ's second coming. The word "universal" reinforces this idea of Christ as some cosmic Heavenly king ONLY with His role only coming in the next world. Meanwhile, on this world, we pray privately to Christ, but completely divorce Him from the political and social orders in order to appease non-Christians and most Protestants.

Indeed, what a mockery of the Traditional notion of the Social Kingship. VCII and its popes have ensured that there will never be a Catholic society as long as they reign. How utterly diabolical. Because of them Catholics will forever be destined to live in either secular or non-Christian societies where their Faith is put at constant risk as more and more souls are lost as they succuмb to the sinful world they are forced to breathe in every day of their lives. The days of the Catholic state, once so natural in our world, are now but a distant memory thanks to these men.

Yet they have the temerity to call for a "year of Faith" now that they have all but killed any recognizable Catholic Faith 50 years later.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 22, 2012, 02:21:05 AM »

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The introduction to the guidelines explains that the Year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the Church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.”

A few questions.

How can one "renew" conversion, a one time event that already happened? One can renew one's fervor, but one is converted or one is not.

How can one "convert" to a person, Jesus Christ? One converts to a belief system, a Faith, we don't convert into God.

How can one "rediscover" Faith? If one found Faith and rejected it they can accept it once again, but they can't discover the same Faith twice.

Who are the "members of the Church"? What Church? The Catholic Church? Or the "Church of Christ in which the Catholic Church "subsists." If you read the rest of the article you'll see they mean all the baptized, heretic, schismatic, and Catholic alike.

In what way are they "witnesses" to the Risen Lord? Did they see the Lord rise? What makes them credible? What makes them joy-filled? Knowing there might not be anyone in Hell, per JPII?

Also notice the "Risen Lord." Traditional Catholics are witnesses to the Crucifîed Lord as He is crucified every day by these types. The Vatican constantly focuses on the Risen Lord as if the battle were already over on earth. Also BXVI has said Our Lord didn't resurrect His physical body, so what Risen Lord are we talking about?

We are leading people seeking "it". What is "it"? To the door of Faith? What the heck is the "door of faith"? How about leading people seeking Truth to the Catholic Faith where it is found? No. Too unecuмenical.

Chus Brea · « **Reply #10 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

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The introduction to the guidelines explains that the Year of Faith is “intended to contribute to a renewed conversion to the Lord Jesus and to the rediscovery of faith, so that the members of the Church will be credible and joy-filled witnesses to the Risen Lord, capable of leading those many people who are seeking it to the door of faith.”

A few questions.

How can one "renew" conversion, a one time event that already happened? One can renew one's fervor, but one is converted or one is not.

How can one "convert" to a person, Jesus Christ? One converts to a belief system, a Faith, we don't convert into God.

How can one "rediscover" Faith? If one found Faith and rejected it they can accept it once again, but they can't discover the same Faith twice.

Who are the "members of the Church"? What Church? The Catholic Church? Or the "Church of Christ in which the Catholic Church "subsists." If you read the rest of the article you'll see they mean all the baptized, heretic, schismatic, and Catholic alike.

In what way are they "witnesses" to the Risen Lord? Did they see the Lord rise? What makes them credible? What makes them joy-filled? Knowing there might not be anyone in Hell, per JPII?

Also notice the "Risen Lord." Traditional Catholics are witnesses to the Crucifîed Lord as He is crucified every day by these types. The Vatican constantly focuses on the Risen Lord as if the battle were already over on earth. Also BXVI has said Our Lord didn't resurrect His physical body, so what Risen Lord are we talking about?

We are leading people seeking "it". What is "it"? To the door of Faith? What the heck is the "door of faith"? How about leading people seeking Truth to the Catholic Faith where it is found? No. Too unecuмenical.

I agree with everything else but why the rant about "conversion to Jesus Christ"?. Saint Augustine once said "Conversi Ad Dominum" (turn to the Lord), and conversion refers to just that: a turning or returning to; so it is not at all inaccurate to use those terms, nor is it inconsistent with Tradition nor Scripture (Joel 2,12 comes to mind).

I get that this whole new "we're not giving Doctrine but the person of Jesus Christ" language is, given the modernist twist, irritating and ambiguous to the eleventh degree, but we should not despise many good Traditional manners of speaking just because they are abused.