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    The Missal Crisis of '62

    Fr. Patrick Perez


     Whatever else may be said about modern Rome, at least one thing hasn’t changed: In its official docuмents, Rome chooses its language carefully and deliberately, and what is not stated can often be as important as what is. Bearing in mind this fact, and the fact that those writing Roman docuмents these days are thoroughly imbued with the post-conciliar mentality, one condition of all the recent indults granted for the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass should arouse immediate suspicions on the part of any Catholic who still retains his ability to reason.


    1962 Missal

    The Roman Missal contains the texts and rubrics for the celebration of the Mass
     
     Beginning with Quattuor Abhinc Annos (1984) and Ecclesia Dei (1988) of John Paul II, and culminating with the recent motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм (2007) of Benedict XVI, in which permission is so graciously granted by the respective Holy Fathers for a Mass that no priest needs anyone’s permission, including the pope’s, to offer any time he so chooses, the authors of these docuмents specify that these permissions are to celebrate Mass using the 1962 Missal, and only the 1962 Missal. Considering that between those docuмents, and the letter to the bishops which accompanies the latest motu proprio, this requirement is specified no fewer than 15 times.

    “Methinks”, as Shakespeare says through the mouth of Hamlet, “she doth protest too much”. If permission is being given for the use of the liturgy promulgated by the Council of Trent, then why should it matter if the Missal were from 1962 or 1662? The stated reason is that the 1962 Missal was the last “typical edition”, the implication being that it is, therefore, the most “authentic”, as if the Missale Romanum were a sort of encyclopedia, the most reliable edition of which naturally being the one that is most current.

     I contend that there is more to this condition than most Catholics suspect, which is a polite way of repeating what I immediately said to myself upon first reading Quattuor Abhinc Annos in 1984: “There‘s something fishy going on here”. When I began to compare the 1962 typical edition with previous editions of the Missale, the nature of the “fish” soon became evident. I will explain as briefly as I am able without doing violence to the subject matter.

    First signs of a reform

     Doing a comparison of the various editions of the Missale from my own collection, including even one pre-Tridentine edition (1558), the first thing I concluded is that they are substantially identical, save for a few small details (the first post-Tridentine edition of 1570 adds a few rubrical specifications that its predecessors lacked) and for the addition of some feast propers, which is to be expected. This holds true until the typical editions of 1955-56, issued under Pius XII. Beginning in 1955 there were unprecedented changes made to the Missale, the first of many to come. These changes resulted in the Missale of 1962, but culminated in the Missale Romanum of Paul VI in 1969, the Novus Ordo Missae.


    Pius XII and Roncalli

    Pope Pius XII with Card. Angelo Roncali, future John XXIII. Bugnini made the liturgical reforms of both Popes
     
     The changes to the Missal decreed on November 16th, 1955, and becoming obligatory on March 25th, 1956, had their immediate origins several years previous. Shortly after commenting (on the apparitions of Our Lady in Fatima in 1917) “This persistence of Mary about the dangers which menace the Church is a divine warning against the ѕυιcιdє of altering the Faith in Her liturgy…”

    This same Pacelli, now Pope Pius XII, established in 1948 the Commission for Liturgical Reform (!), appointing one Fr. Annibale Bugnini as its secretary. Remember that name, for Father, later Archbishop Bugnini, would eventually be revealed as a Freemason and denounced to Paul VI, who immediately removed him from his positions of authority on Vatican commissions and sent him away, eventually to die in exile in Iran. All this, unfortunately, not before he had authored and instigated alteration after alteration of the Church’s liturgy, even finally the Novus Ordo Missae itself.

    How the reform of Holy Week in 1955 was made

     Shortly after the Commission for Liturgical Reform was founded there came a request from the bishops of France through their spokesperson Cardinal Lienart for permission to restore the Paschal Vigil to the evening rather than its morning celebration. Fair enough. It does seem a bit out-of-place to light a new fire and carry in the triple candle to chants of Lumen Christi in broad daylight. This permission was granted in 1951.

     Bugnini and company, though, had only just begun. The magnitude of what came next can hardly be overstated. They went far beyond simply changing the hour of the Paschal Vigil. They had somehow convinced the pope that the whole of Holy Week needed to be restored to a more primitive usage, and so they had basically scrapped the traditional Holy Week (unchanged from the earliest pre-Tridentine Missale I could find, but, more importantly, re-promulgated in the Tridentine Missale of 1570 as well by order of the Council of Trent and Pope Saint Pius V) in favor of what they told Pius XII was the form of Holy Week in use around the time of Saints Wilfred (b. 634) and Bede (b. 672).


    Holy Week Ceremonies

    The first changes by Bugnini were introduced in Holy Week ceremonies in 1955
     
     Now how the pope accepted this after issuing warnings specifically against this practice of returning to primitive liturgical uses in his encyclical Mediator Dei (1947), and calling those who desired to do so “wicked” in that same docuмent is astounding. Furthermore, the claim that their “restored” Holy Week rites existed at the time of Saints Wilfred and Bede, or at any other time in history seems to have been an utter, complete, and blatant fabrication. They rightly reasoned that neither Pius XII nor anyone else for that matter was capable of verifying the veracity of this claim, and the pope seems to have trusted Bugnini et al implicitly.

     Thus in 1955 this fabricated Holy Week was officially promulgated by Pius XII with the docuмent Maxima Redemptionis under the ironic title “The Order of Holy Week Restored”. It is interesting to note that the docuмent Maxima Redemptionis of November 16th, 1955, speaks mainly of restoring the Paschal Vigil to its proper time, with only a footnote at the end mentioning that the ceremonies had been modified a little to restore them to “what was known in the days of St. Wilfred and St. Bede”. Also interesting to note is the fact that, save for some very minor modifications, these new rites of Holy Week “qualified” to be placed into the new Missal of Paul VI virtually intact.

     In reality the introduction of new rites was a test to see if anyone would react negatively; whether or not Bugnini and the Commission would be caught in their lies, or whether it would just be accepted on the weight of the enormously popular Pius XII without question. If there were no objections raised, and if the bait were taken, Bugnini knew that there would be little serious opposition to altering the Mass itself.

    From there on, one change after another...

     In spite of being a glaring violation of Quo Primum of Pope St. Pius V, the bull promulgating the Tridentine Missale as the only acceptable one in the Latin Rite and forbidding the changing of the rites therein, or addition of new rites into said Missale “in perpetuity”, the consequence for doing so being no less than incurring the “wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, this new Order of Holy Week was everywhere published and accepted without any hesitation whatsoever. The green light had been given to “Brother Buan” (Bugnini’s Masonic codename) to continue implementing their plan of destroying the Faith by destroying the liturgy.


    Annibale Bugnini

    Bugnini continued with the changes after the Council
     
     From that time one change followed another so quickly that the clergy could scarcely keep abreast of them. As Gertrude says in Hamlet, “One woe doth tread upon another’s heels, so fast they follow”. The additional Collects said at Mass were abolished, along with most of the vigils of feast days. Twelve of fifteen octaves (some dating to the time of Saints Wilfred and Bede!), as well as the proper Last Gospels were also abolished, and so was the Feast of the Solemnity of Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, this being replaced with the feast of “Saint Joseph the Worker”, a kind of Catholic May Day. All this (and more) in 1955!

     1958 saw the resuscitation of the “dialogue Mass” with Pius XII’s “Instruction on Sacred Music”, issued on September 3rd, just one month before his death. One is entitled to imagine that Pius XII was little aware of what was going on at that time as he had been gravely ill for some time.

     Though this “dialogue Mass”, in which the congregation makes the responses formerly reserved to the altar boys, and even reciting some parts of the Mass formerly reserved to the priest (!), had been allowed on at least one occasion that we know of, and under duress, by Pope Benedict XV in 1922, it nonetheless represented a significant violation of the traditional practice of the Church and theology of the Mass which holds that the right to make the Mass responses and serve at the altar is technically one enjoyed by clerics alone. Hence altar boys are to wear cassocks and surplices which are clerical dress, to indicate that although lay males could serve Mass when required to do so, this was by way of exception and they are substituting by indult for clerics when such could not be had. One of the obvious implications of allowing all of the faithful, females included, to make those responses traditionally reserved to men in Orders, is that females could, in fact, receive Orders as well, even the Priesthood!

     Following the death of Pius XII and the election of John XXIII in 1958, the changes continued unabated. In 1960 Pope John named Fr. Bugnini secretary of the Preparatory Liturgical Commission for the upcoming council that he had invoked. From then until 1962 more feasts were abolished, the unchangeable Canon of the Mass (the word “canon” means “unchangeable”), was changed by the insertion of the name of St. Joseph, as if to redress some oversight committed by the early Church, which apparently had insufficient devotion to St. Joseph as they failed to place his name in the Canon. Other rubrical changes were made as well, including the elimination of the Confiteor prior to the reception of Holy Communion by the Faithful during Mass. These changes had the effect of numbing the sensibilities of Catholics, clergy and laity alike, and to habituate them to the novel idea that nothing was exempt from change. They were, of course, designed to pave the way for the eventual introduction and acceptance of the Novus Ordo Missae.

    One example of those baseless changes, the abolition of the Confiteor

     Just as one example, let us consider the already-mentioned elimination of the 2nd Confiteor, as it is commonly referred to. This was done with the excuse that the Confiteor had already been said at the beginning of Mass, so to recite it again in the middle of Mass would qualify as a “useless repetition”. Not so, however. You see, the Communion of the Faithful is neither necessary, nor, properly speaking, a part of the Mass at all. When there are faithful who are to communicate at a Mass, this is accomplished by the insertion of a Communion rite, if you will, into the Mass, similar to that which one would use when bringing Holy Communion to the sick. This rite of receiving Holy Communion necessarily begins with a Confiteor. Such is the proper order of things. The priest doesn’t just go in and jump straight to giving the person or people the Eucharist without some sort of penitential rite preceding it.

     The recitation of the Confiteor during the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar is only for the priest and the other sacred ministers, or altar boys as the case may be. To eliminate the “2nd Confiteor” would imply either that the faithful had no need of it, or that the Communion of the faithful were actually a part of Mass rather than being what it is, something outside of Mass but done within the context of Mass, as are the readings in the vernacular and the sermon. There were other changes made during this period, but I believe that these examples suffice to illustrate my point.

    The right not to accept the 1962 Missal

     In conclusion I wish to note that, with the possible exception of the new rites of Holy Week, none of these changes are heretical or contrary to the powers of the papacy to accomplish. Pius XII and John XXIII undoubtedly possessed the juridical, if not the moral, right to make them. This being so, would it not, then, be an act of disobedience to reject the 1962 Missale for the celebration of the traditional Latin Mass as its advocates claim? I claim that not only is it not an act of disobedience to reject this Missal and, indeed, every version of the Missale going back to when the new rite of Holy Week was first introduced into it, but that it is, in fact, what reason would dictate that one must do if one is indeed serious about returning to and/or upholding the liturgical tradition of the Church.


    Missale Romanum

    A 1962 Roman Catholic Missal compiled from the Missale Romanumfor the use of the faithful
     
     Look at it this way: All of these changes were masterminded by Annibale Bugnini, a proven Freemason, whose intention as a member of that secret society planted within the very highest echelons of the Vatican was to do as much damage as possible to the Church, Her Faith, and the faith of Her members. Although he would accomplish this most effectively later on with the advent of the Novus Ordo Missae, the changes already introduced into the 1962 Missale were nonetheless intended for that same purpose. The 1962 Missale is corrupted, and substantially discordant with the Missale Romanum as promulgated in fulfillment of the commands of the Council of Trent by Pope Saint Pius V. Neither can the claim that none of these changes is heretical in content be used as an argument in favor of its use, for neither is the employment of hula girls, fireworks, and mariachis strictly speaking heretical in itself, but they belong to that class of novel and profane things that do not belong in the Mass.

     I might add that the fact that the 1962 Missale was either accepted and/or used by one or another prelate or priest who were in themselves good men of virtue does not excuse its use now in light of the facts I have just presented.

     When it comes down to it, if one can justify the use of the 1962 Missal to oneself in spite of all this, then one has no good and valid reason left to proffer for not accepting and using the Missale Romanum of Paul VI, which, it is claimed, likewise contains no specific heresy (since the original introduction, which did in fact contain an heretical definition of the Mass, was corrected), and was introduced by a validly reigning pope.

     This, I believe, is the reasoning behind the recent Roman docuмents insisting on the use of the 1962 Missale and no other. Celebration of the immemorial Liturgy of Rome as codified by the Council of Trent ought properly to be done using an edition of the Missale which does not vary substantially from that codified on the orders of that same council. The Missale Romanum of 1962 contains not only changes, but important and substantial ones which violate the injunctions of Quo Primum and the whole of the Church’s liturgical tradition.

     One further difficulty is presented by the fact that at the time of the writing of this article, nobody has had the funding, or perhaps even the interest, to reprint an editon of the Missale which antedates the inclusion of these changes. Reproductions of the 1962 version are, on the other hand, relatively cheap and plentiful. Should this plea reach a benefactor with the means to undertake the costly task of reprinting one of the later but incorrupt editions, I would gladly offer one of my older Missals, some of which are still in the box, for the project.


    Posted September 11, 2007

     


    Offline clarkaim

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    "The Missal Crisis" of 1962
    « Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 11:28:15 AM »
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  • This article is in fact the main issue, if not the only one, that caused the concern of the so-called "nine" as I understand it.  That and the use of N.O. priest come-overs to tradition w/out re-ordaining, at least conditionally.  Father Cekada's excellent book "Work of Human Hands" goes into great detail the issues in this article in an erudite, well-written and frequently funny way.  I HIGHLY recommend ya'll read it.  


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    "The Missal Crisis" of 1962
    « Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 11:33:57 AM »
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    This same Pacelli, now Pope Pius XII, established in 1948 the Commission for Liturgical Reform (!), appointing one Fr. Annibale Bugnini as its secretary. Remember that name, for Father, later Archbishop Bugnini, would eventually be revealed as a Freemason and denounced to Paul VI, who immediately removed him from his positions of authority on Vatican commissions and sent him away, eventually to die in exile in Iran. All this, unfortunately, not before he had authored and instigated alteration after alteration of the Church’s liturgy, even finally the Novus Ordo Missae itself.


    If Paul VI was so outraged that he exiled Bugnini to Iran why didn't he undo the changes?

    Marsha

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    « Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 11:58:48 AM »
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    It's funny most people would think you're talking about
    The Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962!




    The whole crux of the article is in the last paragraphs, which
    are based on and supported by the earlier ones that lead up
    to this conclusion:  


    When it comes down to it, if one can justify the use of the 1962 Missal to oneself in spite of all this, then one has no good and valid reason left to proffer for not accepting and using the Missale Romanum of Paul VI, which, it is claimed, likewise contains no specific heresy (since the original introduction, which did in fact contain an heretical definition of the Mass, was corrected), and was introduced by a validly reigning pope.

    This, I believe, is the reasoning behind the recent Roman docuмents insisting on the use of the 1962 Missale and no other. Celebration of the immemorial Liturgy of Rome as codified by the Council of Trent ought properly to be done using an edition of the Missale which does not vary substantially from that codified on the orders of that same council. The Missale Romanum of 1962 contains not only changes, but important and substantial ones which violate the injunctions of Quo Primum and the whole of the Church’s liturgical tradition.  




    I applaud Msgr. Perez for taking this courageous stand and
    making it known publicly, because as far as I know, nobody
    else was doing this at the time.  

    The changes that came, after this "trial balloon" fiasco was so
    surprisingly successful, were so incredibly mind-boggling that
    the vast majority of Catholic priests worldwide were snowballed
    into thinking that the changes were legitimate.  And there was
    no one who pronounced the correct judgment that the Newmass
    in 1969 was never promulgated.  

    There were a few priests who courageously never said the
    Newmass, such as Fr. Gommar DePauw and Fr. Leonard Feeney,
    M.I.C.M., but even they were so swamped with contradictory
    and unbelievably confusing mixed signals from Rome that they
    somehow did not notice the lack of legal promulgation of the
    Newmass in 1969, or ever.  To this day it has never been
    promulgated.  But even many traditional Catholics are fooled
    into thinking that it was.  

    And through all this confusion, the Big White Elephant in the
    middle of the room escapes the attention of many Trads:  the
    1962 Missal of John XXIII is a Trojan Horse
    that only looks like
    a big white elephant!


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    « Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 12:27:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar
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    This same Pacelli, now Pope Pius XII, established in 1948 the Commission for Liturgical Reform (!), appointing one Fr. Annibale Bugnini as its secretary. Remember that name, for Father, later Archbishop Bugnini, would eventually be revealed as a Freemason and denounced to Paul VI, who immediately removed him from his positions of authority on Vatican commissions and sent him away, eventually to die in exile in Iran. All this, unfortunately, not before he had authored and instigated alteration after alteration of the Church’s liturgy, even finally the Novus Ordo Missae itself.


    If Paul VI was so outraged that he exiled Bugnini to Iran why didn't he undo the changes?

    Marsha



    If you think that Paul VI was outraged on principle, you are
    mistaken.  He was only a man of principles to the extent that he
    was an advocate of the principle of changing the Church.  Change
    was his principle.  Other than that, he had no principles.

    His outrage was that the identity of Bugnini as a Freemason
    became known.  That got Paul VI steamed up!  Because the
    Masonic ID of Bugnini was supposed to have been kept SECRET!  
    So this made Paul VI really ticked off.  There are lots of pictures
    of him with an angry face, so we know he got angry a lot.  In fact,
    it was much more challenging to get pictures of him NOT looking
    angry.  That was a real project for the Vatican photographers!  
    They had a lot of work to do, photographing the impossible.

    They were the first paparazzi, actually.  They had to RUN around
    furtively, to get the best angle of shot because Paul VI having
    a rare wincing grin (he never really smiled) was a prime target.

    Therefore, Paul VI didn't undo the changes because he was not
    upset about the changes.  In fact, he was their principal advocate.

    He PUSHED the changes FORWARD, most aggressively.  

    He PUNISHED anyone who resisted the changes.  Sound familiar?

    He EXCOMMUNICATED priests who were staunchly traditional.  
    Kind of like 'expelling' them, you know?

    He ARBITRARILY TRANSFERRED clerics at all levels who held fast
    to the traditions that had been handed down to them (cf. II Thes.
    ii. 14, etc.).  Sound familiar?


    So you see, he didn't undo the changes because he wanted them.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 01:38:15 PM »
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  • Thanks Neil for clearing that up, I wondered what P6's motivation for the exile was.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 02:16:36 PM »
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  • I'll admit that Fr. Perez is a great one to expound on the letter of the law; as for the spirit of the law - well, not so much.
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14

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    « Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 05:41:53 PM »
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    When it comes down to it, if one can justify the use of the 1962 Missal to oneself in spite of all this, then one has no good and valid reason left to proffer for not accepting and using the Missale Romanum of Paul VI,


    Mediator Dei teaches that the Pope does have the authority to make New Rites in the Church and that clerics have no authority to do such a thing, or reject it. So, the Roman Pontiff---it is true--has the power to make a New Mass, employ some usage of the vernacular like the 1965 Roman Missal, which is what the SSPX used from the early to late 70s.

    However it is illogical assume that since I agree with Mediator Dei that I must then accept the 1970 Roman Missal of Paul VI because, first of all, the notion of reforming the celebration of the Eucharist with elements from the Anglican Communion (as Paul VI did) is blasphemous and sacrilegious and not to mention audacious, especially when one asserts that an individual must accept it in the name of Pius XII's teachings (in Mediator Dei). The Eucharist should always be celebrated in a manner that bespeaks the Catholic Faith as laid down by the traditional teaching, "lex orandi, lex credendi". Pope Pius XII is infallible in liturgical matters because every universal law, especially regarding the Holy Mysteries, are considered tied to infallibility. When Pius XII implemented changes in 1955, those reforms were tied to the indefectibility of the Church.

    So to assert that there are defects in the 1955 changes would imply a public defection of Faith on the part of Pius XII and the Holy Catholic Church, which indefectible, and which Msgr. Perez accepts (illogically, now we can see). To say that one ought to reject the Pius XII reforms implies that Pius XII had publicly injured or mutated the faith with so-called "liturgical innovations" and mean the Church has defected, or that Pius XII had lost the faith, but neither are the case as far as any sane person would acknowledge.

    If one were to reject the changes of Pius XII under his papal authority, such an individual commits the act of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff himself called "SCHISM".



    Are you Kevin Mathy?Philip Mericle?


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    So to assert that there are defects in the 1955 changes would imply a public defection of Faith on the part of Pius XII and the Holy Catholic Church, which indefectible, and which Msgr. Perez accepts (illogically, now we can see).

    Either it was better before the changes or it was better after the changes. To prefer the old to the new is not to say that the new implies a public defection of faith any more than to prefer the new is to say the old implies a public defection of the faith. And wait, I think you are not a sedevacantist, so what do you say about the Novus Ordo? Are there defects in the Novus Ordo, then?
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    « Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 05:56:36 PM »
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  • Further reasons that we, as members of the Universal Church and Roman Communion,reject the 1970 Roman Missal, and cannot follow Msgr. Perez's/NeilObstat's argument that if we accept the '62 missal, we must therefore accept the mass of Paul VI, include:

    -It allows a complete usage of the vernacular in the celebration of the Eucharist----condemned as heresy by the Council of Trent.

    -Obliges the presider or celebrant to recite the Canon of the Mass (Eucharistic Prayer) aloud---specifically condemned by the Council of Trent.

    -The intention to offer sacrifice for the sins of the Christian assembly, living or dead, is missing----condemned by the Council of Trent because Protestant believe that the Eucharist is only a sacrifice of praise, thanksgiving, and supplication only-----WITHOUT propitiation/appeasement/sin reparation.

    -The Roman Missal has changed the formulas for confecting the Eucharist under the forms of bread and wine----contradicts the "De Defectibus" of St. Pius V.

    -The omission of the "Dominus Vobiscuм" in private Novus Ordo Masses explicitly demonstrates a denial of the Communion of Saints----reported by the Ottaviani Intervention.

    -The Words of Consecration transformed into an "Institutional Narrative" thereby giving the impression that the Sacrifice is not being offered right here and then as an unbloody renewal of Christ's immolation on Mount Calvary---instead replaced by remembering how Christ instituted the Lord's Supper during the Last Supper.

    -The Mass is called the Lord's Supper---but this is a misnomer since this implies it is only a communion service like the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts on Good Friday.

    -The Eucharist is a meal and a celebration, but it is first and foremost and primarily, the offering of sacrifice.

    It is a celebration since the whole Universal Church presides over it through the actions of the ministerial priesthood.  But the celebration is an act of offering the Divine Victim as a stainless oblation to God the Father. All of this is entirely missing or ambiguous in the New Liturgy in order to accommodate Protestantism and Judaism.According to Time Magazine, Pope Paul VI used a Jєωιѕн meal prayer in the Offertory of the New Mass and replaced the ancient offertory prayer used before 1970.  According to Pope Benedict XVI, it was Pope Paul VI who personally composed the offertory prayers in the New Mass.


    Lastly, posted by my good friend, Hobbledehoy said the following (addressed to sedes, but this applies here) paragraph:



    Quote from: hobbledehoy [url=http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=17928&min=0&num=3
    here[/url]]The Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope Benedict XV in the Apostolic Constitution Providentissima Mater (27 May 1917),[5] declares that “it belongs to the Holy See to regulate the Sacred Liturgy as well as to approve liturgical books.”[6] It is to preserve the integrity of the Sacred Liturgy that the Apostolic See has been given supreme authority over it, as Pope Pius XI teaches in the Apostolic Constitution Divini cultus (20 December 1928):[7] “Since the Church has received from her founder, Christ, the duty of guarding the holiness of divine worship, surely it is part of the same, of course after preserving the substance of the sacrifice and the sacraments, to prescribe the following: ceremonies, rites, formulas, prayers, chants―by which that august and public ministry is best controlled, whose special name is Liturgy, as if an exceedingly sacred action.”[8] Citing the above-mentioned Canon in his celebrated Encyclical Letter Mediator Dei (20 November 1947),[9] Pope Pius XII makes it clear that “the Sovereign Pontiff alone enjoys the right to recognize and establish any practice touching the worship of God, to introduce and approve new rites, as also to modify those he judges to require modification.”[10] This is because the Roman Pontiff “is the shepherd and teacher of the faithful, and has by divine right and delegation the primacy of jurisdiction, being successor de jure and de facto of S. Peter, so that he is the supreme lawgiver in the Church, jurisdiction being the power of ruling subjects in matters over which the Superior has control.”[11] It is as Pope Eugenius IV had taught in the Bull Laetentur coeli (6 July 1439): “We likewise define that the holy Apostolic See, and the Roman Pontiff, hold the primacy throughout the entire world; and that the Roman Pontiff himself is the successor of blessed Peter, the chief of Apostles, and the true vicar of Christ, and that he is the head of the entire Church, and the father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter by Our Lord Jesus Christ, to feed, rule, and govern the universal Church.”[12] Moreover, regarding the supreme and absolute primacy of the Roman Pontiff, the sacred Vatican Council in its fourth session (18 July 1870) defined that “the pastors and the faithful of whatever rite and dignity, both as separate individuals and all together, are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church.”[13] Those who have the audacity to deny this have been solemnly anathematized by the same holy Council,[14] for it is “the doctrine of Catholic truth from which no one can deviate and keep his faith and salvation.”[15] The Code of Canon Law has affirmed this absolute and universal jurisdiction of the Sovereign Pontiff in the selfsame words that the Vatican Council employed to define this dogma.[16]


    Msgr. Perez's comments are support for sedevecantism, in the strictest sense, not an argument for the use of the '55 missal.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 06:08:19 PM »
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    Either it was better before the changes or it was better after the changes. To prefer the old to the new is not to say that the new implies a public defection of faith any more than to prefer the new is to say the old implies a public defection of the faith.

    We have no right to choose which changes we prefer. If Pius XII was a valid pope, we are bound to accept his decrees and changes to the liturgy.

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    And wait, I think you are not a sedevacantist, so what do you say about the Novus Ordo? Are there defects in the Novus Ordo, then?


    Objectively speaking, Pope Paul VI is a public heretic and schismatic for what he did against the Roman Church. Though this isn't relaly the place for my position on the papacy, I do not have canonical authority to say he isn't Pope---since this requires canonical authority in the future.  Meanwhile, which isn't contrary to the usage of human reason and empiricism, Pope Paul VI's actions were NOT Catholic when he publicly changed the Mass into an ecuмenical communion service. I have a duty, as a Catholic to reject those changes. Should you like a discussion on what this means, regarding the status of the sede vecante, please take it elsewhere.


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    « Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 06:12:42 PM »
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    Either it was better before the changes or it was better after the changes. To prefer the old to the new is not to say that the new implies a public defection of faith any more than to prefer the new is to say the old implies a public defection of the faith.

    We have no right to choose which changes we prefer. If Pius XII was a valid pope, we are bound to accept his decrees and changes to the liturgy.

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    And wait, I think you are not a sedevacantist, so what do you say about the Novus Ordo? Are there defects in the Novus Ordo, then?


    Objectively speaking, Pope Paul VI is a public heretic and schismatic for what he did against the Roman Church. Though this isn't relaly the place for my position on the papacy, I do not have canonical authority to say he isn't Pope---since this requires canonical authority in the future.  Meanwhile, which isn't contrary to the usage of human reason and empiricism, Pope Paul VI's actions were NOT Catholic when he publicly changed the Mass into an ecuмenical communion service. I have a duty, as a Catholic to reject those changes. Should you like a discussion on what this means, regarding the status of the sede vecante, please take it elsewhere.


    Kinda like the Novus Ordo, if Paul VI was pope, hmm?
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    « Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 06:15:35 PM »
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    We have no right to choose which changes we prefer. If Pius XII was a valid pope, we are bound to accept his decrees and changes to the liturgy.


    Kinda like the Novus Ordo, if Paul VI was pope, hmm?


    I just addressed this. No, not like the Novus Ordo. Please, read my just posted points. Address those, instead of starting the same exact argument over again.

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  • The nature of the changes of the '62 missal were different from those of the  Novus Ordo;

    The '62 may have taken out certain prayers, changed some rubrics of the mass. However the Novus ordo replaced the entire liturgy. Big difference.

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    So to assert that there are defects in the 1955 changes would imply a public defection of Faith on the part of Pius XII and the Holy Catholic Church, which [is] indefectible, and which Msgr. Perez accepts (illogically, now we can see).


    Either it was better before the changes or it was better after the changes. To prefer the old to the new is not to say that the new implies a public defection of faith any more than to prefer the new is to say the old implies a public defection of the faith. And wait, I think you are not a sedevacantist, so what do you say about the Novus Ordo? Are there defects in the Novus Ordo, then?



    The principle upon which Msgr. Perez founds his argument is
    Quo Primum, which has all the language of infallibility in it,
    and deals with primarily the Faith, not what naysayers claim
    to be "matters of prudence" or "praxis."  Quo Primum was
    never held up as being infallible, however, in the main.  

    Therefore, the indefectibility he hangs his biretta on is Quo
    Primum,
    not some new notion of aggiornamento, such as the
    one that was brewing even during the pontificate of Pius XII, and
    which he paid homage to, as is found in Mediator Dei, which
    see, which BTW does NOT have the language of infallibility in it.  
    Also, Quo Primum was a Papal Bull and Mediator Dei was
    only an encyclical, and the former is more authoritative than the
    latter.  Therefore, the former is of higher authority and the latter
    is of less authority.  But since the latter came later, and right in
    the midst of the controversy, IT is the docuмent that was in hand
    when the navigator changed the course.  Again, another blight
    on the papacy of Pius XII.  And I'm not making it up.

    Msgr. Perez says that he regards Q.P. as either infallible or else so
    close to being infallible that it doesn't make any difference.  In
    case of point opposed to what Thorn says above, Fr. Perez
    is more concerned with the spirit of the law here, and not so  
    much with the letter of the law.  

    In time, we'll see how this works out, but for the moment, we can
    see that there are more marks against the 1962 missal of John
    XXIII than there are in its favor.  For one, they REMOVED about
    a third of the Scripture readings from the year in various sly ways,
    and then after the Council (Vat.II) they complained that there was
    not enough Scripture, and used that as a reason to introduce a
    new 3-year cycle with a whole new framework of "Ordinary Time" in
    place of Sundays after Pentecost, etc.


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