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Offline Jitpring

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"It cant get better than this."
« on: March 25, 2012, 07:34:41 PM »
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  • Which sermons do you read that cause you to say to yourself, "It can't get better than this"?

    I'd submit this as one of them:
     
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    The Cross of Christ the Measure of the World

    By John Henry Newman

    "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto Me." John xii. 32.

    A GREAT number of men live and die without reflecting at all upon the state of things in which they find themselves. They take things as they come, and follow their inclinations as far as they have the opportunity. They are guided mainly by pleasure and pain, not by reason, principle, or conscience; and they do not attempt to interpret this world, to determine what it means, or to reduce what they see and feel to system. But when persons, either from thoughtfulness of mind, or from intellectual activity, begin to contemplate the visible state of things into which they are born, then forthwith they find it a maze and a perplexity. It is a riddle which they cannot solve. It seems full of contradictions and without a drift. Why it is, and what it is to issue in, and how it is what it is, and how we come to be introduced into it, and what is our destiny, are all mysteries.

    In this difficulty, some have formed one philosophy of life, and others another. Men have thought they had found the key, by means of which they might read what is so obscure. Ten thousand things come before us one after another in the course of life, and what are we to think of them? what colour are we to give them? Are we to look at all things in a gαy and mirthful way? or in a melancholy way? in a desponding or a hopeful way? Are we to make light of life altogether, or to treat the whole subject seriously? Are we to make greatest things of little consequence, or least things of great consequence? Are we to keep in mind what is past and gone, or are we to look on to the future, or are we to be absorbed in what is present? How are we to look at things? this is the question which all persons of observation ask themselves, and answer each in his own way. They wish to think by rule; by something within them, which may harmonize and adjust what is without them. Such is the need felt by reflective minds. Now, let me ask, what is the real key, what is the Christian interpretation of this world? What is given us by revelation to estimate and measure this world by? The event of this season,—the Crucifixion of the Son of God.

    It is the death of the Eternal Word of God made flesh, which is our great lesson how to think and how to speak of this world. His Cross has put its due value upon every thing which we see, upon all fortunes, all advantages, all ranks, all dignities, all pleasures; upon the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. It has set a price upon the excitements, the rivalries, the hopes, the fears, the desires, the efforts, the triumphs of mortal man. It has given a meaning to the various, shifting course, the trials, the temptations, the sufferings, of his earthly state. It has brought together and made consistent all that seemed discordant and aimless. It has taught us how to live, how to use this world, what to expect, what to desire, what to hope. It is the tone into which all the strains of this world's music are ultimately to be resolved.

    Look around, and see what the world presents of high and low. Go to the court of princes. See the treasure and skill of all nations brought together to honour a child of man. Observe the prostration of the many before the few. Consider the form and ceremonial, the pomp, the state, the circuмstance; and the vainglory. Do you wish to know the worth of it all? look at the Cross of Christ.

    Go to the political world: see nation jealous of nation, trade rivalling trade, armies and fleets matched against each other. Survey the various ranks of the community, its parties and their contests, the strivings of the ambitious, the intrigues of the crafty. What is the end of all this turmoil? the grave. What is the measure? the Cross.

    Go, again, to the world of intellect and science: consider the wonderful discoveries which the human mind is making, the variety of arts to which its discoveries give rise, the all but miracles by which it shows its power; and next, the pride and confidence of reason, and the absorbing devotion of thought to transitory objects, which is the consequence. Would you form a right judgment of all this? look at the Cross.

    Again: look at misery, look at poverty and destitution, look at oppression and captivity; go where food is scanty, and lodging unhealthy. Consider pain and suffering, diseases long or violent, all that is frightful and revolting. Would you know how to rate all these? gaze upon the Cross.

    Thus in the Cross, and Him who hung upon it, all things meet; all things subserve it, all things need it. It is their centre and their interpretation. For He was lifted up upon it, that He might draw all men and all things unto Him.

    But it will be said, that the view which the Cross of Christ imparts to us of human life and of the world, is not that which we should take, if left to ourselves; that it is not an obvious view; that if we look at things on their surface, they are far more bright and sunny than they appear when viewed in the light which this season casts upon them. The world seems made for the enjoyment of just such a being as man, and man is put into it. He has the capacity of enjoyment, and the world supplies the means. How natural this, what a simple as well as pleasant philosophy, yet how different from that of the Cross! The doctrine of the Cross, it may be said, disarranges two parts of a system which seem made for each other; it severs the fruit from the eater, the enjoyment from the enjoyer. How does this solve a problem? does it not rather itself create one?

    I answer, first, that whatever force this objection may have, surely it is merely a repetition of that which Eve felt and Satan urged in Eden; for did not the woman see that the forbidden tree was "good for food," and "a tree to be desired"? Well, then, is it wonderful that we too, the descendants of the first pair, should still be in a world where there is a forbidden fruit, and that our trials should lie in being within reach of it, and our happiness in abstaining from it? The world, at first sight, appears made for pleasure, and the vision of Christ's Cross is a solemn and sorrowful sight interfering with this appearance. Be it so; but why may it not be our duty to abstain from enjoyment notwithstanding, if it was a duty even in Eden?

    But again; it is but a superficial view of things to say that this life is made for pleasure and happiness. To those who look under the surface, it tells a very different tale. The doctrine of the Cross does but teach, though infinitely more forcibly, still after all it does but teach the very same lesson which this world teaches to those who live long in it, who have much experience in it, who know it. The world is sweet to the lips, but bitter to the taste. It pleases at first, but not at last. It looks gαy on the outside, but evil and misery lie concealed within. When a man has passed a certain number of years in it, he cries out with the Preacher, "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity." Nay, if he has not religion for his guide, he will be forced to go further, and say, "All is vanity and vexation of spirit;" all is disappointment; all is sorrow; all is pain. The sore judgments of God upon sin are concealed within it, and force a man to grieve whether he will or no. Therefore the doctrine of the Cross of Christ does but anticipate for us our experience of the world. It is true, it bids us grieve for our sins in the midst of all that smiles and glitters around us; but if we will not heed it, we shall at length be forced to grieve for them from undergoing their fearful punishment. If we will not acknowledge that this world has been made miserable by sin, from the sight of Him on whom our sins were laid, we shall experience it to be miserable by the recoil of those sins upon ourselves.

    It may be granted, then, that the doctrine of the Cross is not on the surface of the world. The surface of things is bright only, and the Cross is sorrowful; it is a hidden doctrine; it lies under a veil; it at first sight startles us, and we are tempted to revolt from it. Like St. Peter, we cry out, "Be it far from Thee, Lord; this shall not be unto Thee." [Matt. xvi. 22.] And yet it is a true doctrine; for truth is not on the surface of things, but in the depths.

    And as the doctrine of the Cross, though it be the true interpretation of this world, is not prominently manifested in it, upon its surface, but is concealed; so again, when received into the faithful heart, there it abides as a living principle, but deep, and hidden from observation. Religious men, in the words of Scripture, "live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved them and gave Himself for them:" [Gal. ii. 20.] but they do not tell this to all men; they leave others to find it out as they may. Our Lord's own command to His disciples was, that when they fast, they should "anoint their head and wash their face." [Matt. vi. 17.] Thus they are bound not to make a display, but ever to be content to look outwardly different from what they are really inwardly. They are to carry a cheerful countenance with them, and to control and regulate their feelings, that those feelings, by not being expended on the surface, may retire deep into their hearts and there live. And thus "Jesus Christ and He crucified" is, as the Apostle tells us, "a hidden wisdom;"—hidden in the world, which seems at first sight to speak a far other doctrine,—and hidden in the faithful soul, which to persons at a distance, or to chance beholders, seems to be living but an ordinary life, while really it is in secret holding communion with Him who was "manifested in the flesh," "crucified through weakness," "justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, and received up into glory."

    This being the case, the great and awful doctrine of the Cross of Christ, which we now commemorate, may fitly be called, in the language of figure, the heart of religion. The heart may be considered as the seat of life; it is the principle of motion, heat, and activity; from it the blood goes to and fro to the extreme parts of the body. It sustains the man in his powers and faculties; it enables the brain to think; and when it is touched, man dies. And in like manner the sacred doctrine of Christ's Atoning Sacrifice is the vital principle on which the Christian lives, and without which Christianity is not. Without it no other doctrine is held profitably; to believe in Christ's divinity, or in His manhood, or in the Holy Trinity, or in a judgment to come, or in the resurrection of the dead, is an untrue belief, not Christian faith, unless we receive also the doctrine of Christ's sacrifice. On the other hand, to receive it presupposes the reception of other high truths of the Gospel besides; it involves the belief in Christ's true divinity, in His true incarnation, and in man's sinful state by nature; and it prepares the way to belief in the sacred Eucharistic feast, in which He who was once crucified is ever given to our souls and bodies, verily and indeed, in His Body and in His Blood. But again, the heart is hidden from view; it is carefully and securely guarded; it is not like the eye set in the forehead, commanding all, and seen of all: and so in like manner the sacred doctrine of the Atoning Sacrifice is not one to be talked of, but to be lived upon; not to be put forth irreverently, but to be adored secretly; not to be used as a necessary instrument in the conversion of the ungodly, or for the satisfaction of reasoners of this world, but to be unfolded to the docile and obedient; to young children, whom the world has not corrupted; to the sorrowful, who need comfort; to the sincere and earnest, who need a rule of life; to the innocent, who need warning; and to the established, who have earned the knowledge of it.

    One more remark I shall make, and then conclude. It must not be supposed, because the doctrine of the Cross makes us sad, that therefore the Gospel is a sad religion. The Psalmist says, "They that sow in tears shall reap in joy;" and our Lord says, "They that mourn shall be comforted." Let no one go away with the impression that the Gospel makes us take a gloomy view of the world and of life. It hinders us indeed from taking a superficial view, and finding a vain transitory joy in what we see; but it forbids our immediate enjoyment, only to grant enjoyment in truth and fulness afterwards. It only forbids us to begin with enjoyment. It only says, If you begin with pleasure, you will end with pain. It bids us begin with the Cross of Christ, and in that Cross we shall at first find sorrow, but in a while peace and comfort will rise out of that sorrow. That Cross will lead us to mourning, repentance, humiliation, prayer, fasting; we shall sorrow for our sins, we shall sorrow with Christ's sufferings; but all this sorrow will only issue, nay, will be undergone in a happiness far greater than the enjoyment which the world gives,—though careless worldly minds indeed will not believe this, ridicule the notion of it, because they never have tasted it, and consider it a mere matter of words, which religious persons think it decent and proper to use, and try to believe themselves, and to get others to believe, but which no one really feels. This is what they think; but our Saviour said to His disciples, "Ye now therefore have sorrow, but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you." ... "Peace I leave with you; My peace I give unto you; not as the world giveth, give I unto you." [John xvi. 22; xiv. 27.] And St. Paul says, "The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him." [1 Cor. ii. 9, 14.] And thus the Cross of Christ, as telling us of our redemption as well as of His sufferings, wounds us indeed, but so wounds as to heal also.

    And thus, too, all that is bright and beautiful, even on the surface of this world, though it has no substance, and may not suitably be enjoyed for its own sake, yet is a figure and promise of that true joy which issues out of the Atonement. It is a promise beforehand of what is to be: it is a shadow, raising hope because the substance is to follow, but not to be rashly taken instead of the substance. And it is God's usual mode of dealing with us, in mercy to send the shadow before the substance, that we may take comfort in what is to be, before it comes. Thus our Lord before His Passion rode into Jerusalem in triumph, with the multitudes crying Hosanna, and strewing His road with palm branches and their garments. This was but a vain and hollow pageant, nor did our Lord take pleasure in it. It was a shadow which stayed not, but flitted away. It could not be more than a shadow, for the Passion had not been undergone by which His true triumph was wrought out. He could not enter into His glory before He had first suffered. He could not take pleasure in this semblance of it, knowing that it was unreal. Yet that first shadowy triumph was the omen and presage of the true victory to come, when He had overcome the sharpness of death. And we commemorate this figurative triumph on the last Sunday in Lent, to cheer us in the sorrow of the week that follows, and to remind us of the true joy which comes with Easter-Day.

    And so, too, as regards this world, with all its enjoyments, yet disappointments. Let us not trust it; let us not give our hearts to it; let us not begin with it. Let us begin with faith; let us begin with Christ; let us begin with His Cross and the humiliation to which it leads. Let us first be drawn to Him who is lifted up, that so He may, with Himself, freely give us all things. Let us "seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness," and then all those things of this world "will be added to us." They alone are able truly to enjoy this world, who begin with the world unseen. They alone enjoy it, who have first abstained from it. They alone can truly feast, who have first fasted; they alone are able to use the world, who have learned not to abuse it; they alone inherit it, who take it as a shadow of the world to come, and who for that world to come relinquish it.
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    "It cant get better than this."
    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 08:17:32 PM »
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  • Great sermon, thanks for sharing .. very good read.


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    "It cant get better than this."
    « Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 08:18:48 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson's "On the Fewness of the Saved" is tough to beat.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    "It cant get better than this."
    « Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 11:01:20 PM »
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  • Yes, the gospels are sweet, but the Catholic Church came before the gospels!
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 11:47:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Yes, the gospels are sweet, but the Catholic Church came before the gospels!


    But not before the gospel.


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    « Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 05:32:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: EmilioP
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    Yes, the gospels are sweet, but the Catholic Church came before the gospels!


    But not before the gospel.


    Do you mean that Gospel where Christ founded His Church upon Saint Peter, promising that the gates of hell would not prevail against her? Or do you mean the 'gospel' of Luther, devised according to his own tastes? Since the 'gospel' of the protestants is based on rejection of the Catholic Church, it is absurd to say that it preceded her.

    If you read a little history, you will learn that St. Peter presided over the Church of Rome, and shed his blood there in holy martyrdom. Thus, she enjoys the promise of indefectibility which I have mentioned above. Also, in your last post you implicitly admit that the Church in the time when the Four Gospels were written was indeed the Catholic Church. That places protestants in a nasty situation. So, you accept that you received the Four Gospels from the Catholic Church, but you reject her? If you say that protestants had to save the day because the Catholic Church, from where they received the Four Gospels (which they mutilated with their temerarious hands), defected, then their attempt to 'save the day' was based on an impossible premise, because the promise of Christ is that the Church would not defect. Indefectibility means, among other things, that it will never be necessary to set up your 'puppet-church' because the 'ship has sunk', due to the fact that the ship is indefectible and cannot sink.

    This thread is not for apologetics, though. So, I think it should get back to it's original subject.

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    « Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 07:28:42 AM »
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  • Quote from: Exilenomore
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    Yes, the gospels are sweet, but the Catholic Church came before the gospels!


    But not before the gospel.


    Do you mean that Gospel where Christ founded His Church upon Saint Peter, promising that the gates of hell would not prevail against her? Or do you mean the 'gospel' of Luther, devised according to his own tastes?



    Neither. I refer to the gospel as preached, e.g. by John the Baptist, before Peter cast aside his tackle box. See Mark 1:7 any many others.  Incidentally, baptists are not protestants.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 08:30:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: EmilioP
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    Yes, the gospels are sweet, but the Catholic Church came before the gospels!


    But not before the gospel.


    Do you mean that Gospel where Christ founded His Church upon Saint Peter, promising that the gates of hell would not prevail against her? Or do you mean the 'gospel' of Luther, devised according to his own tastes?



    Neither. I refer to the gospel as preached, e.g. by John the Baptist, before Peter cast aside his tackle box. See Mark 1:7 any many others.  Incidentally, baptists are not protestants.


    St. John the Baptist pointed to the Lamb of God, Whose way he had come to prepare. The Lamb founded a Church on St. Peter and the Apostles, which is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. You cannot make up a religion on your own authority and expect it to lead you to Heaven. And it is illogical to claim being followers of St. John the Baptist if you do not listen to what he has said.



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    « Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 10:30:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: EmilioP
    Incidentally, baptists are not protestants.


    What are they, then? All Christians who are not Catholic are Protestants.

    How familiar are you with Martin Luther?
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 01:33:18 PM »
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  • Friends,

    As you know, the propagation of heresy is forbidden on this site. Thus EmilioP has been reported to Matthew and his posts will soon be deleted. Don't waste your time engaging EmilioP any more. Let's get this thread back on track.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 01:53:59 PM »
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  • EmilioP --

    I don't know what your motivation is for joining this site (to learn about The Enemy? ) but this isn't an ecuмenical site.

    It's for Catholics who reject the Second Vatican Council ONLY.

    There are other fora that would love to have someone "interested" in Catholicism -- but this is not that kind of "gentle for beginners" site. This is a forum for serious, hard-core Catholics -- who are commonly referred to as "Traditional Catholics" because of their faithful adherence to Catholic tradition and doctrine.

    If you are primarily Baptist, and wish to argue for your religion on this site, you must leave. The only way I could imagine you staying is if you wanted to do lots of reading and not much posting. I guess the choice is up to you.

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    « Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 08:44:38 PM »
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    It's for Catholics who reject the Second Vatican Council ONLY.

    :applause: :applause: :applause:


    Yes, it's bad enough that Tomas comes on here and posts Heresy, without an actual openly non-Catholic coming on here and posting obvious error.

    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
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    « Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 08:47:00 PM »
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  • Emilio, try and save your soul.

    Our Lord said to Saint Peter, "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and

    the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

    Our Lord said that to Saint Peter, not to John Smith, or the Wesleys.

    That authority was handed down through the Apostolic Succession.

    Become a Catholic, and try to save your soul.

    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    « Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 10:12:05 PM »
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    Emilio, try and save your soul.



    Salvation is not earned or purchased through human effort.

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    « Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 10:12:21 PM »
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  • EmilioP, your complete derailing of this thread is very rude, especially for a newcomer. Even ruder is your introduction of yet more "non-Catholic" (that is, heretical; e.g., the Donatists) filth. Happily, I'm confident that Matthew will delete it again. And he'll keep deleting it. Why waste any more time here? Go to Fish Eaters.
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