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Offline Disputaciones

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"For God's sake"
« on: February 22, 2018, 08:52:56 PM »
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  • What does it really mean when the Church says that we are to do anything for our neighbor "for God's sake"? Like give alms to people for God's sake. Does that mean that you shouldn't be thinking about the good you will do to someone when you help them? I read that that's the difference between Christian and non-Christian charity, that the latter only thinks about the good being done and not about it being done for God's sake. 


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    Re: "For God's sake"
    « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 09:28:26 PM »
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  • Sometimes God calls us, or the circuмstances that God has placed us in, call us to perform charity work that no one else would see or appreciate, except God.  For example, it’s easy to give alms to the poor when they are nice people and when they are appreciative.  This type of charity has a built-in “reward” of seeing the good and of being appreciating by those whom you are helping.  

    The type of charity that is truly heroic, and of which only catholic saints are able to do, through God’s grace, is that charity which has no earthly reward and has seemingly no “results”, or worse, it causes you pain/suffering.  Examples would be when heroic nuns would take care of the sick, and these patients would curse them and treat them horribly because they were angry at God for being sick and in pain.    

    Or when St Therese the little flower suffered all manner of things under an older, jealous nun, yet St Therese treated her like her best friend, and eventually this nun converted because she saw the selflessness of St Therese.

    Even Padre Pio suffered many, many things due to rumors and accusations of his character.  Many of the monks had mentioned a particular person who repeatedly called Padre Pio and fraud and a liar and stirred up trouble secretly, though Padre has so many friends that they eventually found out who was the trouble-maker.  One day this person showed up at the friary in the courtyard, as Padre Pio was with many of the monks, and Padre rushed over to him and embraced him (in the typical Italian way) saying he was happy to see his friend.  Padre did this to show his fellow monks that forgiveness must be immediate, complete and given over and over.  

    When we do such works of charity, forgiveness and mercy, especially to those who hate/persecute us, this is the meaning of acting for “God’s sake”.  


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    Re: "For God's sake"
    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 10:41:43 PM »
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  • I would recommend reading a sermon by the Cure of Ars on the Love of Our Neighbor and also, on Charity. An excerpt:

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    LOVE OF OUR NEIGHBOUR

    All of our religion is but a false religion and all our virtues are mere illusions and we ourselves are only hypocrites in the sight of God if we have not that universal charity for everyone, for the good and for the bad, for the poor people as well as for the rich, for all those who do us harm as much as for those who do us good.

     
    No, my dear brethren, there is no virtue which will let us know better whether we are the children or God than charity.
    The obligation we have to love our neighbour is so important that Jesus Christ put it into a Commandment which He placed immediately after that by which He commands us to love Him with all our hearts. He tells us that all the law and the prophets are included in this commandment to love our neighbour. Yes, my dear brethren, we must regard this obligation as the most universal, the most necessary and the most essential to religion and to our salvation. In fulfilling this Commandment, we are fulfilling all others. St. Paul tells us that the other Commandments forbid us to commit adultery, robbery, injuries, false testimonies. If we love our neighbour, we shall not do any of these things because the love we have for our neighbour would not allow us to do him any harm.

     
    https://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Sermons/JdVianey/Sermons3.htm#LOVE OF OUR NEIGHBOUR

    Doing good to our neighbor for God's sake is not expecting absolutely anything in return, no praise or recognition from the world. It is doing good to all simply because God commands it; not from a disordered attachment to creatures, like most heathens do.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: "For God's sake"
    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 10:00:57 AM »
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  • What does it really mean when the Church says that we are to do anything for our neighbor "for God's sake"? Like give alms to people for God's sake. Does that mean that you shouldn't be thinking about the good you will do to someone when you help them? I read that that's the difference between Christian and non-Christian charity, that the latter only thinks about the good being done and not about it being done for God's sake.
    Bingo.

    Watch the movie Monsieur Vincent (1947), it is all about your subject. It is originally in French. I have it dubbed in English. Likely it also exists dubbed in Spanish. St. Vincent de Paul said that the poor will hate you for helping them.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24