Author Topic: "Across The Universe" Over 50? See It! (Read 2293 times)

littlerose · « **on:** January 13, 2010, 10:18:05 PM »

I am watching this delightful movie in my netflix right now. I don't now how it ends, and I suspect it is about to become less delightful, but I stopped it to post. I chose it to watch tonight because I wanted something completely excapist and old Beatles songs in the Netflix blurb looked like fun.

It may be inexplicably hokey to young people, but everyone over 50 will recognize the musical style of carefree young frolicking with the original pre-guru Beatles Songs (I Wanna Hold Your Haaaaand) and it moves into the reality of the culture that no longer exists: the natural modesty, the fact that young men in high school were being drafted, the "normalcy" of heterosɛҳuąƖ life, family expectations...

One of the things we older Catholics are up against is that our children and grandchildren really never saw the world we came from. There is a much bigger gap between our youth and them than there was between our parents' youth and us.

This movie seems to capture the zeitgeist of those past times, in a funny low-budget kind of way.

littlerose · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2010, 11:53:57 PM »

This movie is incredible. I don't think the authors/producers had a Catholic message in mind at all. It is just hte history of the Viet war generation told through Beatles songs...

But the place it goes off is the song I remember as the first scandalous one, the one that moved into a new and sinister realm (tho many didn't see it at the time) and it coincides with VatII: The "Let It Be" song that refers to "Mother Mary" and was seen (properly) by old Catholics (who were most catholics at the time) as a direct sacrilege of Our Blessed Mother.

Then as it moves forward through the next phases it shows the steps through which Satan took over, moving from transcendentalism into acid hallucinogens, but it gives us the very clear message: Our Lady had to be pushed out of the way first, and it was done in such a deceptively simple way: a song of peaceful pacifist fatalism: "Let It Be"...

No one looking at the history of VatII seems to have noticed that the completely secular non-Catholic Beatles (with no deliberate awareness of what they were doing) went directly from conservative love-family-based message to attacking Our Blessed Mother (not attacking human motherhood, but a direct assault on "Mary") and from there Satan comes in completely.

This movie, if you have watched it this far, has a very accurate mix of the real peoiple who really lived although only young people who have studied the music/drug culture of 1960's would see who the personalities are in the cast of characters: Timothy Leary, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin...

roscoe · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:15:35 AM »

Let It Be was written about Paul's mother-- whom he lost at a young age. Any ref to Catholicism is incidental and I rather like the song. It is probably the only time I like Church music outside of Church-- it does remind me of such.

If one wanted to interpret the lyrics as Catholic and dedicated to Our Mary, I don'e see how an objection could be made. What lyric Specifically is offensive?

The backwards conception of the song by the prev poster reminds me of the backwards conception of the UT abotion incident where the true( anti-abortion)meaning of the message was lost on the Thick

littlerose · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:21:05 AM »

You are incredibly filthy to attack women and babies claiming that filthy horrible sign was pro-life. You are perverse and disgusting beyond belief.

God help your sorry sick soul, with mercy beyond human comprehension because human comprehension connects mercy with justice and justice for people who support the genocidal abortionists while masquerading as Catholics, like you do, certainly don't want to see what true Godly justice means for you.

roscoe · « **Reply #4 on:** January 14, 2010, 12:23:09 AM »

I have been wondering why I took Lr off IG. BTW-- Pauls mother was a Catholic.

What specific lyric in LIB could be considered heretical?

If one would like to listen to the song, it is highly advisable to avoid the Phil Specter version.

clare · « **Reply #5 on:** January 14, 2010, 03:15:39 PM »

We're not confusing Let It Be with Lady Madonna, are we?

I can't see the blasphemy in Let It Be, but I can see how Lady Madonna could possibly be blasphemous or anti-life.

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Lady Madonna, children at your feet
Wonder how you manage to make ends meet

littlerose · « **Reply #6 on:** January 14, 2010, 03:41:05 PM »

Quote from: clare

We're not confusing Let It Be with Lady Madonna, are we?

I can't see the blasphemy in Let It Be, but I can see how Lady Madonna could possibly be blasphemous or anti-life.

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Lady Madonna, children at your feet
Wonder how you manage to make ends meet

No, not in the context of the story of the movie, (which does not include Lady Madonna) but it is interesting that you raise that. I never really looked at the Beatles career as a direct assault on Catholicism, since most of it happened at such a young age for me and I had not yet differentiated being Catholic from the outside world. (BTW, roscoe is not interested in this movie, he is just interested in harassing me with a hijack because of my posting against some militant pro-choicers, I have him on ignore)

Anyway, I just gave a listen to the Lady Madonna and it is the blatant attack, but in the context of the movie, which places each Beatles song in it against related events in the fictional characters' lives, it becomes very clear that "Let It Be" was a very effective cut right to the throat of Catholic culture. I remember the arguments of the time, and many of us did not understand the anger some adults had about "Let It Be" because it almost seemed like it was a peaceful motherly kind of sentiment while "Lady Madonna" was blatant and we could understand the anger about that.

Having watched the whole movie, I think it is not at all an attempt to trace the flow of satanism into our lives because it is truly a secular film that is apparently no more than a love story about an English kid and the American girl he meets, but it is the most accurate and encapsulated history of the end of one era and start of the other that I have seen.

It is unintentional truth-telling, often that's the best kind. :wink:

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** January 14, 2010, 03:43:01 PM »

I do not listen to Lady Madonna.

clare · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2010, 03:48:09 PM »

I don't like The Ballad of John and Yoko either.

roscoe · « **Reply #9 on:** January 14, 2010, 04:21:18 PM »

Ditto

If anyone wants to have some real fun, I would suggest picking up the 09 digital remaster series through the Hard Days Nite Album. After that, the diff is not so notable. The sound quality is astonishing--it is almost like the last 40 yrs of listening to Beatles records has been a waste of time.

littlerose · « **Reply #10 on:** January 14, 2010, 04:29:33 PM »

It is not the question of liking or not liking the songs, it is the history that interests me. The movie shows that it was in fact a much more sudden and abrupt change than I would have said, if I were just talking about the changes of the 1960's.

And now that you mention Lady Madonna, clare, that brings something else up that younger people might not realize" before the 1960's, there was no chemical birth control available to anyone. The drug companies of course wanted to market "The Pill" and had to kick us Catholics out of the way.

The Beatles had an incredibly fast rise in fame. Wouldn't it be interesting to see what really happened in the back rooms around the decision to market the Beatles with those songs and the decisions to market "The Pill"?

roscoe · « **Reply #11 on:** January 14, 2010, 04:45:01 PM »

Quite a fantasy to conjur up a scenario of back rooms/ pill conspiracy/ Beatles.

Re: the lryic of L Madonna. How can a woman having a bunch of children at her feet be conceived as advocating birth control?

littlerose · « **Reply #12 on:** January 14, 2010, 05:14:27 PM »

obtuse efforts at changing the subject such as pretending not to be able to understand very simple irony or satire mocking the Catholic Church are unwelcome.

Clare, do you think we could move this discussion over to your forum? I don't think the SedeTaliban are going to allow Catholics to talk about culture & history here.

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** January 14, 2010, 06:00:10 PM »

Naturally there is no answer to the question re: how can lyrics that speak of baby's at one's breast and feet be considered as advocating birth control?

The mind of Lr has gone through the looking glass. Let's try this-- I have bumper sticker on my car that says FREE OJ. Does Lr think that I really want this?

Author Topic: &quot;Across The Universe&quot; Over 50? See It! (Read 2293 times)

Author Topic: "Across The Universe" Over 50? See It! (Read 2293 times)