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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: AnthonyPadua on December 04, 2023, 11:03:33 PM
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The Acts of the Second Council of Nicaea (AD 787), Sess. 6: “In the year 5501 Christ our God came to mankind and lived with us for thirty-three years and a little less than five months.”
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I'm sure that most people believed in a relatively young earth until a couple hundred years ago. It was Charles Lyell, a buddy of Darwin, who came up with the old earth nonsense based on bogus geological principles. There's correspondence between the two men demonstrating that their chief motivation was to debunk Sacred Scripture, and they admittedly made up all kinds of nonsense toward that end.
Old Earth goes hand in hand with evolution. If evolution happened through random mutations, the possibility and odds of such mutations leading to the complexity of life on earth were so ridiculous that even the layman would figure this out, so they had to throw dates in the (at first) millions and then billions of years out there, numbers so big that people start to imaging that randomness could work itself out into today's complexity of life given enough time.
Modern scientists (the honest ones) have come to realize that even billions of years would not suffice to make it even remotely possible for life to have evolved, so they have now come up with "multiverse" theory, where there are an infinite number of different universes, and we just happen to live in the one where life evolved by chance. It would take an infinite number to make the odds remotely workable.
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Anthony,
If you are still praying the Divine Office, and if you pray Prime on December 24th, and if you read the Martyrology, you will find this exquisite and heart enkindling entry:
The Twenty-fifth Day of December
In the year five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine from the creation of the world, when God in the beginning created heaven and earth;
In the year two thousand nine hundred and fifty-seven from the flood;
In the year two thousand and fifteen from the birthday of Abraham;
In the year one thousand five hundred and ten from Moses and the going forth of the people of Israel from Egypt;
In the year one thousand and thirty-two from the anointing of David as king;
In the sixty-fifth week according to the prophecy of Daniel;
In the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad;
In the year seven hundred and fifty-two from the founding of the city of Rome;
In the forty-second year of the rule of Octavian Augustus;
In the sixth age of the world, when the whole world was at peace: [here the voice is raised:]
Jesus Christ, eternal God and Son of the eternal Father, being pleased to hallow the world by His most gracious coming, having been conceived of the Holy Ghost, and nine months having passed since His conception, having become Man, was born at Bethlehem in Juda of the Virgin Mary.
[All prostrate themselves: at the signal of the superior, they arise.]
The Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. A totum duplex feast of the first class.
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Anthony,
If you are still praying the Divine Office, and if you pray Prime on December 24th, and if you read the Martyrology, you will find this exquisite and heart enkindling entry:
Yes I am. Interesting to see different years here.
5501 vs 5199
Either puts the earth over 7000 years old
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I'm sure that most people believed in a relatively young earth until a couple hundred years ago. It was Charles Lyell, a buddy of Darwin, who came up with the old earth nonsense based on bogus geological principles. There's correspondence between the two men demonstrating that their chief motivation was to debunk Sacred Scripture, and they admittedly made up all kinds of nonsense toward that end.
Old Earth goes hand in hand with evolution. If evolution happened through random mutations, the possibility and odds of such mutations leading to the complexity of life on earth were so ridiculous that even the layman would figure this out, so they had to throw dates in the (at first) millions and then billions of years out there, numbers so big that people start to imaging that randomness could work itself out into today's complexity of life given enough time.
Modern scientists (the honest ones) have come to realize that even billions of years would not suffice to make it even remotely possible for life to have evolved, so they have now come up with "multiverse" theory, where there are an infinite number of different universes, and we just happen to live in the one where life evolved by chance. It would take an infinite number to make the odds remotely workable.
Yes, if one were to assume that organic life developed the way it did from random chance, 4.5 billion years, 6 billion years, and many billions of years longer, would not nearly have been enough time for that to happen.
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Yes I am. Interesting to see different years here.
5501 vs 5199
Either puts the earth over 7000 years old
Yup. Glad to hear you are persevering. Prayers for you today!
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I found this in a Paula essay:
Chronology [B.C.]*
Creation ………………………….. 4004-3
Adam dies………………………… 3073
Enoch translated………………….3016
Seth dies……………….………….. 2961
* Some dates are approximate. Most dates are from Ussher and from Ivan Panin, Biblical chronology. Vancouver, 1950. Dates for Abraham and Joseph from David Fry, Hebrew Sages of Ancient Egypt. 2nd ed. American Archive Books, 1997. "Only on Christmas Eve does the Church adopt the Septuagint chronology, according to which the birth of our Savior took place 5000 years after the creation, whereas the Vulgate and the Hebrew texts place only four thousand between the two events. The Church allows liberty on this question." (Dom Guéranger. Liturgical Year. Volume I. Advent. Note on p. 511, for Christmas Eve.)
Noe born……………………………. 2947
Global Deluge……………………... 2348
Tower of Babel and Dispersion.. 2250-2198
Job …………………….…………. 2100-2200
Noe dies……………….…………. 1997
Abraham born…………………….. 1995
Abraham in Pre-Dynasty Egypt 1896
Abraham dies ..…………………… 1820 … 1765 Hammurabi, King of Babylon (extols Marduk) Joseph born……………………….. 1744
Joseph Vizier[Egypt 2-3rd Dynasty] 1715 … King Djoser (Zoser) 2-3rd Dynasty
Joseph dies…………….…………. 1634
Moses born ………………………. 1546
Moses at 49 … approximate date of Rig Veda
6th Dynasty .....………. 1506
Exodus ...........……….………….. 1466 …[Crombette has 1226 for this date]
David born .......……….………… 1060
Saul reigns......…………………… 1031
David dies .......…………………… ..990
Solomon begins to
build the temple.………… 986
Solomon dies .....………………… 950 … Homer (9th century)
Elias taken………………………... ..854 … Hesiod (8th century)
Hezekiah dies ....…………………. 667 … Thales (624-545)
Manasseh dies ..……….…………. 612 … Anaximander (611-546)
Isaiah … Anaximenes (586-526)
Babylonian captivity……………… 556 … Pythagoras (581-497) … Heraclitus [c 500]
Jeremiah Daniel … Anaxagoras (c 500-428) … Parmenides [c 515
Ezechiel … Democritus (c 460)
Babylonian captivity ends……….. 487 … Plato (427-347) Aristotle (384-322)
… Aristarchus (310-230) Euclid (c 300)
Maccabees ........………………….. 167 … Archimedes (278-212) Hellenistic period (300 BC -
Rome takes Jerusalem…………… 63 to 1453 AD in East)
The Incarnation……………………. 4 or 3 [B.C.]
Chronological Chart of Old Testament Patriarchs and the Cainite Parallels
Age at death
Adam 930
Abel - Cain
Seth 912
Enos 905 Henoch
Cainan 910 Irad
Mahalaleel 895 Maviael
Jared 162
Enoch 365
Methuselah 969 Mathusael
Lamech 777 Lamech
Noe 950 Ada Sella
(500 years old at the Flood)
Jabal Tubalcain
Sem 600 Jubal
Arphaxed 338
Sale 433
Heber 464
(Heber remained faithful to God at Babel) Nimrod
Phaleg 239
(in whose time the
lands were divided)
Reu 239
Sarug 230
Nachor 148
Thara 150
Abraham 175
The dates of the Sethite patriarchs show clearly that the longevity of men declined drastically after the Flood, whether due to climate changes or other causes is uncertain.
Sem and His Descendants, with the Lands They Settled *
Sem (Shem)
Elam -- Shushan
Asshur -- Assyrians
Arphaxad -- Selah -- Eber ............ Peleg -- Nahor -- Abraham -- Israel
Joktan -- list includes Sheba
Lud -- Upper Euphrates and Tigris
Aram -- Uz, North Arabia
Crombette says ‘that after the Dispersion, Sem went into the curve of the Euphrates and into the East.
Descended from the Semites are:
Hebrews
Arabs
Syrians
Assyrians, who conquered the original Hamites.
Babylonians, who conquered the original Hamites.
Persians
Ham (Cham) and His Descendants, with the Lands They Settled
Ham (Cham)
Cush ---- Seba --- South Arabia
Havilah --- East of Edom
Sabtah --- South Arabia
Raamah -- Sheba, Southwest Arabia
Dedan, Northwest Arabia
Sabtechah
Nimrod -- founded Sumerian cities
Mizraim
Ludim -- Lydiana
Anamin -- Northern Egypt -- the Philistines
Lehabim -- Lybians of Northwestern Egypt
Naphtuhim -- Egyptians of the Nile Delta
Casluhim
Caphtarim -- Island of Crete*
Phut
Canaan
Sidon, Cyprus and Sidon
Hetti, Hittites in Northern Syria
Jebusite, around Jerusalem
Amorite, from Egypt to Babylonia -- Hammurabi was one of their kings
Girgasite, western Palestine
Hivite, in Gibeon
Arkite, Northeast of Tripoli in Lebanon
Sinite, Phoenician coast
Arvadite, Northern Phoenicia, whaling center, and across into Atlantis and from thence
to the Americas, a very old world (Cf. Solange Hertz, The Battle for Amerindia)
Zemarite, also Phoenician
Hamathite, on the Orontes River
Descendants of the Hamites are:
Sumerians Chinese
Hittites (from Heth) African Negroes
Phoenicians Mongols
Ethiopians American Indians
Egyptians Eskimos
Canaanites Etruscans
Japheth and His Descendants, with the Lands They Settled
Japheth
Gomer
Ashkenaz -- Indo-European
Riphath -- Indo-European
Togarmah -- Armenians in Asia Minor
Magog -- Mongols, Tartars, Parthians, Huns northeast of the Black Sea
Madai -- Medes south of the Caspian Sea
Javan -- Elishah -- Hellenic Greeks, Corsicans, and Sardinians
Tarshish -- Spain
Kittim -- Island of Cyprus
Dodanim -- Greeks in Hellespont or Rhodes
Tubal -- Northeastern Mesopotamia, and Tibarians
Neshech -- Muski
Tiras -- Western Asia Minor - notorious pirates (!)
Descendants of Japheth
Indo-Europeans Celtic peoples
Russians Greeks
Nordic peoples Latins (Romans)