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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
« on: December 04, 2023, 11:03:33 PM »
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  • The Acts of the Second Council of Nicaea (AD 787), Sess. 6: “In the year 5501 Christ our God came to mankind and lived with us for thirty-three years and a little less than five months.”

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    Re: Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
    « Reply #1 on: December 05, 2023, 06:58:05 AM »
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  • I'm sure that most people believed in a relatively young earth until a couple hundred years ago.  It was Charles Lyell, a buddy of Darwin, who came up with the old earth nonsense based on bogus geological principles.  There's correspondence between the two men demonstrating that their chief motivation was to debunk Sacred Scripture, and they admittedly made up all kinds of nonsense toward that end.

    Old Earth goes hand in hand with evolution.  If evolution happened through random mutations, the possibility and odds of such mutations leading to the complexity of life on earth were so ridiculous that even the layman would figure this out, so they had to throw dates in the (at first) millions and then billions of years out there, numbers so big that people start to imaging that randomness could work itself out into today's complexity of life given enough time.

    Modern scientists (the honest ones) have come to realize that even billions of years would not suffice to make it even remotely possible for life to have evolved, so they have now come up with "multiverse" theory, where there are an infinite number of different universes, and we just happen to live in the one where life evolved by chance.  It would take an infinite number to make the odds remotely workable.


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    Re: Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2023, 09:17:12 AM »
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  • Anthony,

    If you are still praying the Divine Office, and if you pray Prime on December 24th, and if you read the Martyrology, you will find this exquisite and heart enkindling entry:


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    The Twenty-fifth Day of December

    In the year five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine from the creation of the world, when God in the beginning created heaven and earth;

    In the year two thousand nine hundred and fifty-seven from the flood;

    In the year two thousand and fifteen from the birthday of Abraham;

    In the year one thousand five hundred and ten from Moses and the going forth of the people of Israel from Egypt;

    In the year one thousand and thirty-two from the anointing of David as king;

    In the sixty-fifth week according to the prophecy of Daniel;

    In the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad;

    In the year seven hundred and fifty-two from the founding of the city of Rome;

    In the forty-second year of the rule of Octavian Augustus;

    In the sixth age of the world, when the whole world was at peace: [here the voice is raised:]

    Jesus Christ, eternal God and Son of the eternal Father, being pleased to hallow the world by His most gracious coming, having been conceived of the Holy Ghost, and nine months having passed since His conception, having become Man, was born at Bethlehem in Juda of the Virgin Mary.

    [All prostrate themselves: at the signal of the superior, they arise.]

    The Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. A totum duplex feast of the first class.


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    Re: Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
    « Reply #3 on: December 05, 2023, 03:56:46 PM »
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  • Anthony,

    If you are still praying the Divine Office, and if you pray Prime on December 24th, and if you read the Martyrology, you will find this exquisite and heart enkindling entry:
    Yes I am. Interesting to see different years here. 
    5501 vs 5199
    Either puts the earth over 7000 years old

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    Re: Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
    « Reply #4 on: December 05, 2023, 08:11:52 PM »
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  • I'm sure that most people believed in a relatively young earth until a couple hundred years ago.  It was Charles Lyell, a buddy of Darwin, who came up with the old earth nonsense based on bogus geological principles.  There's correspondence between the two men demonstrating that their chief motivation was to debunk Sacred Scripture, and they admittedly made up all kinds of nonsense toward that end.

    Old Earth goes hand in hand with evolution.  If evolution happened through random mutations, the possibility and odds of such mutations leading to the complexity of life on earth were so ridiculous that even the layman would figure this out, so they had to throw dates in the (at first) millions and then billions of years out there, numbers so big that people start to imaging that randomness could work itself out into today's complexity of life given enough time.

    Modern scientists (the honest ones) have come to realize that even billions of years would not suffice to make it even remotely possible for life to have evolved, so they have now come up with "multiverse" theory, where there are an infinite number of different universes, and we just happen to live in the one where life evolved by chance.  It would take an infinite number to make the odds remotely workable.
    Yes, if one were to assume that organic life developed the way it did from random chance, 4.5 billion years, 6 billion years, and many billions of years longer, would not nearly have been enough time for that to happen.


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    Re: Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2023, 09:06:25 AM »
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  • Yes I am. Interesting to see different years here.
    5501 vs 5199
    Either puts the earth over 7000 years old

    Yup. Glad to hear you are persevering. Prayers for you today!

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    Re: Young earth. Acts of Nicaea 2
    « Reply #6 on: December 09, 2023, 02:51:02 PM »
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  • I found this in a Paula essay:

    Chronology [B.C.]*

    Creation ………………………….. 4004-3
    Adam dies………………………… 3073
    Enoch translated………………….3016
    Seth dies……………….………….. 2961


    *  Some dates are approximate.  Most dates are from Ussher and from Ivan Panin, Biblical chronology. Vancouver, 1950. Dates for Abraham and Joseph from David Fry, Hebrew Sages of Ancient Egypt. 2nd ed. American Archive Books, 1997. "Only on Christmas Eve does the Church adopt the Septuagint chronology, according to which the birth of our Savior took place 5000 years after the creation, whereas the Vulgate and the Hebrew texts place only four thousand between the two events. The Church allows liberty on this question." (Dom Guéranger. Liturgical Year. Volume I. Advent. Note on p. 511, for Christmas Eve.)

    Noe born……………………………. 2947
    Global Deluge……………………... 2348
    Tower of Babel and Dispersion.. 2250-2198     
    Job …………………….…………. 2100-2200
    Noe dies……………….…………. 1997
    Abraham born…………………….. 1995
    Abraham in Pre-Dynasty Egypt 1896
    Abraham dies ..…………………… 1820  … 1765 Hammurabi, King of Babylon (extols Marduk)          Joseph born……………………….. 1744
    Joseph Vizier[Egypt 2-3rd Dynasty] 1715  … King Djoser (Zoser) 2-3rd Dynasty
    Joseph dies…………….…………. 1634
    Moses born ………………………. 1546
    Moses at 49         … approximate date of Rig Veda
                6th Dynasty .....………. 1506
    Exodus ...........……….………….. 1466    …[Crombette has 1226 for this date]
    David born .......……….………… 1060
    Saul reigns......…………………… 1031
    David dies .......…………………… ..990
    Solomon begins to
              build the temple.………… 986
    Solomon dies .....………………… 950    … Homer (9th century)
    Elias taken………………………... ..854    … Hesiod (8th century)
    Hezekiah dies ....…………………. 667    … Thales (624-545)
    Manasseh dies ..……….…………. 612    … Anaximander (611-546)
              Isaiah         … Anaximenes (586-526)
    Babylonian captivity……………… 556    … Pythagoras (581-497)    … Heraclitus [c 500]
              Jeremiah      Daniel                … Anaxagoras (c 500-428)  … Parmenides [c 515
              Ezechiel           … Democritus (c 460)
    Babylonian captivity ends……….. 487    … Plato (427-347)    Aristotle (384-322)
              … Aristarchus (310-230)  Euclid (c 300)
    Maccabees ........………………….. 167  … Archimedes (278-212) Hellenistic period (300 BC -
    Rome takes Jerusalem…………… 63   to 1453 AD in East)
    The Incarnation……………………. 4 or 3 [B.C.]

    Chronological Chart of Old Testament Patriarchs and the Cainite Parallels

        Age at death

    Adam 930
    Abel      -        Cain
    Seth 912
    Enos 905 Henoch
    Cainan 910 Irad
    Mahalaleel 895 Maviael
    Jared 162
    Enoch 365
    Methuselah 969 Mathusael
    Lamech 777 Lamech

    Noe 950                                            Ada      Sella
        (500 years old at the Flood)
                                                                                                       
                                                                                            Jabal        Tubalcain           

    Sem 600                                          Jubal
      Arphaxed 338
          Sale 433
          Heber 464
        (Heber remained faithful to God at Babel) Nimrod
            Phaleg 239
                (in whose time the
                lands were divided)
            Reu 239
                Sarug 230
            Nachor 148
                        Thara 150               
                            Abraham 175

    The dates of the Sethite patriarchs show clearly that the longevity of men declined drastically after the Flood, whether due to climate changes or other causes is uncertain.

    Sem and His Descendants, with the Lands They Settled *

    Sem (Shem)

    Elam -- Shushan

    Asshur -- Assyrians

    Arphaxad -- Selah -- Eber ............ Peleg  -- Nahor  -- Abraham -- Israel

            Joktan -- list  includes Sheba

    Lud -- Upper Euphrates and Tigris

    Aram -- Uz, North Arabia

    Crombette says ‘that after the Dispersion, Sem went into the curve of the Euphrates and into the East.

    Descended from the Semites are:
    Hebrews
    Arabs
    Syrians
    Assyrians, who conquered the original Hamites.
    Babylonians, who conquered the original Hamites.
    Persians

    Ham (Cham) and His Descendants, with the Lands They Settled

    Ham (Cham)
    Cush ---- Seba --- South Arabia
    Havilah --- East of Edom
    Sabtah --- South Arabia
    Raamah -- Sheba, Southwest Arabia
                      Dedan, Northwest Arabia
    Sabtechah
    Nimrod  -- founded Sumerian cities
    Mizraim
    Ludim -- Lydiana
    Anamin  -- Northern Egypt -- the Philistines
    Lehabim  -- Lybians of Northwestern Egypt
    Naphtuhim --  Egyptians of the Nile Delta
    Casluhim
    Caphtarim  -- Island of Crete*
    Phut
    Canaan
    Sidon, Cyprus and Sidon
    Hetti, Hittites in Northern Syria
    Jebusite, around Jerusalem
    Amorite, from Egypt to Babylonia -- Hammurabi was one of their kings
    Girgasite, western Palestine
    Hivite, in Gibeon
    Arkite, Northeast of Tripoli in Lebanon
    Sinite, Phoenician coast
    Arvadite, Northern Phoenicia, whaling center, and across into Atlantis and from thence
                to the Americas, a very old world (Cf. Solange Hertz, The Battle for Amerindia)
    Zemarite, also Phoenician
    Hamathite, on the Orontes River

    Descendants of the Hamites are:
    Sumerians Chinese
    Hittites (from Heth) African Negroes
    Phoenicians Mongols
    Ethiopians American Indians
    Egyptians Eskimos
    Canaanites Etruscans

    Japheth and His Descendants, with the Lands They Settled

    Japheth
    Gomer
    Ashkenaz -- Indo-European
    Riphath -- Indo-European
    Togarmah -- Armenians in Asia Minor

    Magog -- Mongols, Tartars, Parthians, Huns northeast of the Black Sea

    Madai -- Medes south of the Caspian Sea

    Javan -- Elishah -- Hellenic Greeks, Corsicans, and Sardinians

    Tarshish -- Spain

    Kittim -- Island of Cyprus

    Dodanim -- Greeks in Hellespont or Rhodes

    Tubal -- Northeastern Mesopotamia, and Tibarians

    Neshech -- Muski

    Tiras -- Western Asia Minor - notorious pirates (!)


    Descendants of Japheth

    Indo-Europeans Celtic peoples

    Russians Greeks

    Nordic peoples Latins (Romans)