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Offline Matto

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Re: Women Running Wild
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2021, 01:20:46 PM »
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  • When I read St. Augustine's Confessions, one thing I remember (and was surprised by) is that many of the husbands at that place and time beat their wives. And the wives were surprised that St. Monica's husband didn't beat her because he had a bad temper. And she would tell them that if they didn't want to be beaten by their husbands they should not contradict him or argue with him, especially if he had been drinking. If she would be submissive to him then he would probably not beat her. I don't recall St. Augustine giving a condemnation or an approval of corporal punishment in general, though it may have been there and I just don't remember.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #16 on: August 03, 2021, 01:24:08 PM »
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  • In the decadent West, fathers have been deprived of exercising their duty to corporally punish their wives and daughters. Hence we shouldn’t be at all surprised that women are now running wild in every sphere
    It takes much more than just corporeal punishment to raise children. I have a wife and many daughters, and not once have I struck them. They all dress and behave like Catholic ladies. All it takes to raise them right is too always speak truth, not play games with God. My wife was chosen for me by God, because I was not seeking a wife, but only truth. My wife is my other half, if I forget something, she fills in, and if she forgets something I fill in. It takes two working as one to raise the children. My wife, cooks and homeschools the children K- 12+++, and is an example of a mother. My wife and I are examples for our children to emulate.

    Last Tradhican wrote: One man's "corporal discipline" of wives is another's wife beating. Let's cut to the chase: What is your method in detail?


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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #17 on: August 03, 2021, 01:26:21 PM »
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  • You started a thread on the same subject of corporeal punishment on wives in another thread. I asked you there a question you never anwered:

    I’d like to answer in detail, but I have to be very restrained in my words here. Under another name (several, really), I was kicked out of this forum 9 years ago for being insufficiently observant of the delicate sensibilities here. No doubt, many Millennials populate this forum. Very fragile. I learned my lesson.

    Hence I’m content to mostly just read the fascinatingly revealing (of conformity to the putrefied modern world) answers being given.

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #18 on: August 03, 2021, 01:27:05 PM »
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  • Giving my son a quick spank on the butt does wonders. But I haven't really done so with my daughter because it doesn't have the same effect, she tends to lash out more.

    For the younger kids, corporal punishment does in fact work wonders in terms of curbing behaviors that might otherwise become habitual.  Later, however, once they reach the age of reason, the battle is for their minds and souls.  One can inflict all manner of corporal punishment, but if they do not become persuaded of what is right and wrong on their own, the second they become independent and leave your control, they'll pursue their own course.

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #19 on: August 03, 2021, 01:30:49 PM »
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  • I’d like to answer in detail, but I have to be very restrained in my words here. Under another name (several, really), I was kicked out of this forum 9 years ago for being insufficiently observant of the delicate sensibilities here. No doubt, many Millennials populate this forum. Very fragile. I learned my lesson.
    Hence I’m content to mostly just read the fascinatingly revealing (of conformity to the putrefied modern world) answers being given.
    Why should you care what anyone thinks of what you say? Your response sounds cowardly to me. Cut to the chase: What is the method you propose in detail?


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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #20 on: August 03, 2021, 01:31:44 PM »
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  • No doubt, many Millennials populate this forum. Very fragile.  
    I am among the oldest of the Millenials. I am very fragile. I get upset when Catholics defend the theory of evolution or Zionism.  
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #21 on: August 03, 2021, 01:33:39 PM »
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  • Why should you care what anyone thinks of what you say? Your response sounds cowardly to me. Cut to the chase: What is the method you propose in detail?

    I again must refuse your invitation. And I rest content with you thinking that my refusal is cowardly.

    I bid you good day.

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #22 on: August 03, 2021, 01:37:32 PM »
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  • AspiringToHeaven, Women are different then children. If you beat a woman she will hate you and the problems will become worse, beating doesn't do anything beneficial. Why do you think Catholics need to beat women? Its actually very paganistic to treat women like animals.

    If punishment needs to be dealt there are other methods of doing so without physicly harming the individual.


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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #23 on: August 03, 2021, 01:43:06 PM »
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  • When I read St. Augustine's Confessions, one thing I remember (and was surprised by) is that many of the husbands at that place and time beat their wives. And the wives were surprised that St. Monica's husband didn't beat her because he had a bad temper. And she would tell them that if they didn't want to be beaten by their husbands they should not contradict him or argue with him, especially if he had been drinking. If she would be submissive to him then he would probably not beat her. I don't recall St. Augustine giving a condemnation or an approval of corporal punishment in general, though it may have been there and I just don't remember.


    Quote from: St. Augustine
    19. Being thus modestly and soberly trained, and rather made subject by You to her parents, than by her parents to You, when she had arrived at a marriageable age, she was given to a husband whom she served as her lord. And she busied herself to gain him to You, preaching You unto him by her behaviour; by which You made her fair, and reverently amiable, and admirable unto her husband. For she so bore the wronging of her bed as never to have any dissension with her husband on account of it. For she waited for Your mercy upon him, that by believing in You he might become chaste. And besides this, as he was earnest in friendship, so was he violent in anger; but she had learned that an angry husband should not be resisted, neither in deed, nor even in word. But so soon as he was grown calm and tranquil, and she saw a fitting moment, she would give him a reason for her conduct, should he have been excited without cause. In short, while many matrons, whose husbands were more gentle, carried the marks of blows on their dishonoured faces, and would in private conversation blame the lives of their husbands, she would blame their tongues, monishing them gravely, as if in jest: "That from the hour they heard what are called the matrimonial tablets read to them, they should think of them as instruments whereby they were made servants; so, being always mindful of their condition, they ought not to set themselves in opposition to their lords." And when they, knowing what a furious husband she endured, marvelled that it had never been reported, nor appeared by any indication, that Patricius had beaten his wife, or that there had been any domestic strife between them, even for a day, and asked her in confidence the reason of this, she taught them her rule, which I have mentioned above. They who observed it experienced the wisdom of it, and rejoiced; those who observed it not were kept in subjection, and suffered.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #24 on: August 03, 2021, 02:01:05 PM »
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  • Each husband is the head of his family, and it is his responsibility to decide whether or not, when, and in which way to castigate his wife or children.

    Bad enough, today, our culturally marxist "Republics" intervene in family affairs. That's against natural law.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #25 on: August 03, 2021, 02:06:51 PM »
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  • AspiringToHeaven, Women are different then children. If you beat a woman she will hate you and the problems will become worse, beating doesn't do anything beneficial. Why do you think Catholics need to beat women? Its actually very paganistic to treat women like animals.

    If punishment needs to be dealt there are other methods of doing so without physicly harming the individual.

    My good man, nowhere have I advocated “beating.”

    Kindly curb your muliebral hysteria.


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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #26 on: August 03, 2021, 02:30:02 PM »
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  • 😞 Sigh! Are you another troll? 😈  
    For the sake of argument, let’s say a woman is a larger sized girl.  The punishment in my house for moral offenses by those with reason, but before puberty was to receive one smack with the strap for each year of age, to render restitution as appropriate to the offense, and if old enough, to write out the Act of Contrition for each year of age.  
    Now, let’s suppose your wife of 38 years of age has gone out and squandered your hard-earned money on immodest clothes, jewelry, and make-up.  She had her spree at a store going out of business, so that nothing can be returned.  When you discover the items in five huge shopping bags secreted in the closet, you confront her.  She argues back, but eventually admits to having done wrong.  Since justice must prevail, you smack her bottom good and hard 38 times, and present her with several pencils, a notebook, and pencil sharpener.  “Get busy writing the Act of Contrition!”  And you make sure you’re nearby to see she’s steadily working.  Afterwards, you discuss her sin, it’s consequences, and have her make restitution in the only way possible, the immodest clothing must be burned.  You then go outside, make a fire in the fire pit, and supervise her as she drops the items in, one by one.  On Saturday, you make sure she’s the first person on the Confession line.
    If every man did this, the world would surely be a better place.😵‍💫😵‍💫

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #27 on: August 03, 2021, 02:35:36 PM »
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  • 😞 Sigh! Are you another troll? 😈  
    For the sake of argument, let’s say a woman is a larger sized girl.  The punishment in my house for moral offenses by those with reason, but before puberty was to receive one smack with the strap for each year of age, to render restitution as appropriate to the offense, and if old enough, to write out the Act of Contrition for each year of age.  
    Now, let’s suppose your wife of 38 years of age has gone out and squandered your hard-earned money on immodest clothes, jewelry, and make-up.  She had her spree at a store going out of business, so that nothing can be returned.  When you discover the items in five huge shopping bags secreted in the closet, you confront her.  She argues back, but eventually admits to having done wrong.  Since justice must prevail, you smack her bottom good and hard 38 times, and present her with several pencils, a notebook, and pencil sharpener.  “Get busy writing the Act of Contrition!”  And you make sure you’re nearby to see she’s steadily working.  Afterwards, you discuss her sin, it’s consequences, and have her make restitution in the only way possible, the immodest clothing must be burned.  You then go outside, make a fire in the fire pit, and supervise her as she drops the items in, one by one.  On Saturday, you make sure she’s the first person on the Confession line.
    If every man did this, the world would surely be a better place.😵‍💫😵‍💫
    That’s quite the detailed hypothetical scenario. 

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #28 on: August 03, 2021, 03:09:21 PM »
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  • That’s quite the detailed hypothetical scenario.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #29 on: August 03, 2021, 03:10:18 PM »
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  • 😞 Sigh! Are you another troll? 😈  
    For the sake of argument, let’s say a woman is a larger sized girl….

    Now, let’s suppose your wife of 38 years of age has gone out and squandered your hard-earned money on immodest clothes, jewelry, and make-up.  She had her spree at a store going out of business, so that nothing can be returned.  When you discover the items in five huge shopping bags secreted in the closet, you confront her.  She argues back, but eventually admits to having done wrong.  Since justice must prevail, you smack her bottom good and hard 38 times, and present her with several pencils, a notebook, and pencil sharpener.  “Get busy writing the Act of Contrition!”  And you make sure you’re nearby to see she’s steadily working.  Afterwards, you discuss her sin, it’s consequences, and have her make restitution in the only way possible, the immodest clothing must be burned.  You then go outside, make a fire in the fire pit, and supervise her as she drops the items in, one by one.  On Saturday, you make sure she’s the first person on the Confession line.
    If every man did this, the world would surely be a better place.😵‍💫😵‍💫

    As for “larger sized girl,” do you mean fat?

    Regarding your detailed disciplinary scenario, it sounds pretty good, though a little light on said discipline. Still, many thanks for laying it out.

    Different behaviors would of course merit different disciplinary measures. For example, if the wife were caught feeding the family soy, the consequent disciplinary measures would be different than those you describe above.