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Offline AspiringToHeaven

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Women Running Wild
« on: August 03, 2021, 06:45:43 AM »
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  • Thesis:

    In the decadent West, fathers have been deprived of exercising their duty to corporally punish their wives and daughters. Hence we shouldn’t be at all surprised that women are now running wild in every sphere (e.g., destroying nations through their mass entry into politics). Most women in the West are no longer kept in check through the real threat of violence. This is surely a major part of why most women today are so degenerate, full of attitude, and grossly immodest.

    Discuss. (Immersed as we all are in modernism, this is now an explosive thesis. I know. Kindly resist any temptation to virtue signal. The capacity to emote is no measure of virtue, especially when such emoting is in conformity with the dismal standards of a thoroughly degenerate age.) 

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #1 on: August 03, 2021, 06:53:06 AM »
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  • Sorry, but this is ridiculous.  Women were much more virtuous in the past even without corporal punishment.  Generally speaking, corporal punishment is effective only for the younger children who have not used the age of reason.  After that, they must themselves adopt the proper mindset and attitude.  What's happened is ideological, and philosophical, and theological.  Even if women were submissive to their fathers and husbands, what exactly would they be submissive to when the men themselves have cast off the "yoke" of religion?  If men don't obey God and the Church, then how are women to be expected to obey them?  If the men's minds have been poisoned, then the women would be submissive to their evil.  It all goes back to the nearly universal loss of faith.  To reduce this to the lack of corporal punishment is absurd.


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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2021, 07:44:58 AM »
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  • Women were much more virtuous in the past even without corporal punishment.  Generally speaking, corporal punishment is effective only for the younger children who have not used the age of reason.  After that, they must themselves adopt the proper mindset and attitude.  What's happened is ideological, and philosophical, and theological.  Even if women were submissive to their fathers and husbands, what exactly would they be submissive to when the men themselves have cast off the "yoke" of religion?  If men don't obey God and the Church, then how are women to be expected to obey them?  If the men's minds have been poisoned, then the women would be submissive to their evil.  It all goes back to the nearly universal loss of faith.  To reduce this to the lack of corporal punishment is absurd.

    Your words aren’t without truth. But also not without error. For example:

    “Women were much more virtuous in the past even without corporal punishment.”

    But the threat of it was always there. This is critical. It was always a real possibility.

    “To reduce this to the lack of corporal punishment is absurd.”

    Said reduction is no part of the thesis. Notice the word “major” in the last sentence of the thesis, thus conveying that there are other parts involved as well. The thesis hence posits a necessary but insufficient part of the explanation for women running wild today. Your “loss of faith” explanation is definitely another major part of the explanation.

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2021, 08:41:43 AM »
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  • You seen obsessed with other people's women and with wanting to beat them.  I hope you aren't married.

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2021, 08:56:15 AM »
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  • Real men don't beat their wives. Especially if they claim to love them "as Christ loved the Church".
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2021, 09:07:16 AM »
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  • Point me to where Scripture and Tradition permit us to beat our wives. Because I honestly doubt the Church condones such a practice usually found among weak men. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2021, 09:22:34 AM »
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  • Not saying men should use corporal punishment on their wives. I don't know much except I read a short quote where  St. Thomas Aquinas talks about a husband correcting his wife "with blows" as if it were acceptable but that was just an offhand remark with no explanation. But even if St. Paul wrote a letter about how it is necessary and how to do it properly, most traditional Catholics would reject it as outdated and wrong and they would agree with the Novus Ordo taking that letter out of the Bible if it existed, because we live in simp world.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #7 on: August 03, 2021, 09:51:48 AM »
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  • Are you looking for an excuse to beat your wife or have other people beat theirs?  As DigitalLogos said, only weak men beat their wives, real men find a real woman to marry who will be submissive and not have to be used as a punching bag. Also is it your wife's fault or the fault of other people on this forum that communist/feminist women (who are usually single btw) going into politics?


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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #8 on: August 03, 2021, 10:01:35 AM »
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  • Immersed as we all are in modernism

    Modernism is heresy. Anyone defending any one modernist proposition is excommunicated ipso facto and is not Catholic.

    Quote from: Pius X
    Moreover, in order to check the daily increasing audacity of many modernists who are endeavoring by all kinds of sophistry and devices to detract from the force and efficacy not only of the decree “Lamentabili sane exitu” (the so-called Syllabus), issued by our order by the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition on July 3 of the present year, but also of our encyclical letters “Pascendi dominici gregis” given on September 8 of this same year, we do by our apostolic authority repeat and confirm both that decree of the Supreme Sacred Congregation and those encyclical letters of ours, adding the penalty of excommunication against their contradictors, and this we declare and decree that should anybody, which may God forbid, be so rash as to defend any one of the propositions, opinions or teachings condemned in these docuмents he falls, ipso facto, under the censure contained under the chapter “Docentes” of the constitution “Apostolicae Sedis,” which is the first among the excommunications latae sententiae, simply reserved to the Roman Pontiff. This excommunication is to be understood as salvis poenis, which may be incurred by those who have violated in any way the said docuмents, as propagators and defenders of heresies, when their propositions, opinions and teachings are heretical, as has happened more than once in the case of the adversaries of both these docuмents, especially when they advocate the errors of the modernists that is, the synthesis of all heresies.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #9 on: August 03, 2021, 01:00:58 PM »
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  • Fascinating reactions on a “traditionalist” forum. 

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #10 on: August 03, 2021, 01:02:49 PM »
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  • Fascinating reactions on a “traditionalist” forum.
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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #11 on: August 03, 2021, 01:03:47 PM »
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  • Fascinating reactions on a “traditionalist” forum.
    Trads don't beat women

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #12 on: August 03, 2021, 01:10:25 PM »
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  • Thesis:

    In the decadent West, fathers have been deprived of exercising their duty to corporally punish their wives and daughters. Hence we shouldn’t be at all surprised that women are now running wild in every sphere (e.g., destroying nations through their mass entry into politics). Most women in the West are no longer kept in check through the real threat of violence. This is surely a major part of why most women today are so degenerate, full of attitude, and grossly immodest.

    Discuss. (Immersed as we all are in modernism, this is now an explosive thesis. I know. Kindly resist any temptation to virtue signal. The capacity to emote is no measure of virtue, especially when such emoting is in conformity with the dismal standards of a thoroughly degenerate age.)
    You started a thread on the same subject of corporeal punishment on wives in another thread. I asked you there a question you never anwered:


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    Last Tradhican wrote: One man's "corporal discipline" of wives is another's wife beating. Let's cut to the chase: What is your method in detail?

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #13 on: August 03, 2021, 01:13:58 PM »
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  • We have a massive infamous thread on this subject a long time ago.

    There is some small bit of opinion which holds that corporal punishment of wives by their husbands is permissible, in extreme cases like adultery, but I disagree.  While it is permissible for a father to impose corporal punishment on his children, husbands are required to honor their wives.  Just as it would be wrong to strike a parent (since we are commanded to honor them), I hold that the requirement to for husbands to honor their wives precludes corporal punishment as it would against a parent.  And even if it WERE permissible, almost everyone would agree that it's extremely imprudent and would likely not have its intended effect.

    While it's permissible for daughters, even there I disagree that lack of corporal punishment is responsible for their decline in mores.  If anything, if a girl already has a feminist mindset, corporal punishment would only increase that due to their resentment.  Of course, younger girls below the age of reason might benefit from some corporal punishment since it can help to curb bad behaviors when "reasoning" with them cannot.  For older girls, this would likely increase their resentment of all male authority figures and would incline them toward feminism.

    If the ONLY thing holding women and girls back from bad behavior were corporal punishment, the battle is likely already lost for their souls ... even if it were sufficient to curb some behavior due to the deterrent and the fear.

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    Re: Women Running Wild
    « Reply #14 on: August 03, 2021, 01:16:47 PM »
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  • We have a massive infamous thread on this subject a long time ago.

    There is some small bit of opinion which holds that corporal punishment of wives by their husbands is permissible, in extreme cases like adultery, but I disagree.  While it is permissible for a father to impose corporal punishment on his children, husbands are required to honor their wives.  Just as it would be wrong to strike a parent (since we are commanded to honor them), I hold that the requirement to for husbands to honor their wives precludes corporal punishment as it would against a parent.  And even if it WERE permissible, almost everyone would agree that it's extremely imprudent and would likely not have its intended effect.

    While it's permissible for daughters, even there I disagree that lack of corporal punishment is responsible for their decline in mores.  If anything, if a girl already has a feminist mindset, corporal punishment would only increase that due to their resentment.  Of course, younger girls below the age of reason might benefit from some corporal punishment since it can help to curb bad behaviors when "reasoning" with them cannot.  For older girls, this would likely increase their resentment of all male authority figures and would incline them toward feminism.

    If the ONLY thing holding women and girls back from bad behavior were corporal punishment, the battle is likely already lost for their souls ... even if it were sufficient to curb some behavior due to the deterrent and the fear.
    Giving my son a quick spank on the butt does wonders. But I haven't really done so with my daughter because it doesn't have the same effect, she tends to lash out more. 
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]