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Offline Isaac C Bishop

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Re: Women in the middle ages
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2024, 08:55:20 AM »
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  • I apologize in advance because my response is not related directly to your post... But I had a look at The Postil website and I was wondering why The War Memoirs of Charles de Gaulle were advertised on it? De Gaulle was not a war hero. In fact he was a deserter who escaped the execution squad because his superior thought he had been killed in action, in March 1916. He surrendered to the enemy and gave them the information they wanted. He was freed after 33 months.
    After he came into power, his dossier was disappeared. Admiral Muselier said de Gaulle was "the greatest deserter of the French Army". He came into power in 1958 by promising the French in Algeria to always keep Algeria French... and gave Algeria its independence in 1962, after having the French Army shoot the French population in Algiers.
    He also facilitated the penetration of Communists in the French government.
    Not someone whose war memoirs we should be promoting, in my opinion... ;-)

    I cannot speak to this, but perhaps you could contact the editors? They might be able to assist you. 
    Jeb Smith is the author of Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty.

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    Re: Women in the middle ages
    « Reply #31 on: December 06, 2024, 08:57:48 AM »
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  • Well, just because someone writes a book, doesn't make everything in it true or accurate. A reasonable question to be asked when reading it is "who said it was the standard male view of women at that time?" Does he give any corroborating view from other authors of the time?
    I was quoting the historian below who described it as a typical view of the time. 

    Régine Pernoud (17 June 1909, [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Château-Chinon[/color][color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Nièvre[/color] – 22 April 1998, Paris) was a French historian and archivist.[color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)][1][/iurl][/font][/size][/color] Pernoud was one of the most prolific medievalists in 20th century France; more than any other single scholar of her time, her work advanced and expanded the study of [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Joan of Arc[/color]
    Jeb Smith is the author of Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty.


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    Re: Women in the middle ages
    « Reply #32 on: December 06, 2024, 09:02:46 AM »
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  • Wow it's quite long. I haven't finished reading it but I wanted to ask. Near the beginning it mentions that before the return of Roman law women did not need to have parents consent for marriage. Was this state law? Church law? Right now a women must be at least 18 to marry without parental consent, how did this work during the time period mentioned above?
    The family, and the individual were the most prominent influences. The Church would, however, especially with nobility, interfere on some marriage that were often incest-rial or adulterous. 
    Jeb Smith is the author of Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty.

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    Re: Women in the middle ages
    « Reply #33 on: December 06, 2024, 10:08:23 AM »
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  • I was quoting the historian below who described it as a typical view of the time.

    Régine Pernoud (17 June 1909, [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Château-Chinon[/color], [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Nièvre[/color] – 22 April 1998, Paris) was a French historian and archivist.[color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)][1][/iurl][/font][/size][/color] Pernoud was one of the most prolific medievalists in 20th century France; more than any other single scholar of her time, her work advanced and expanded the study of [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Joan of Arc[/color]
    Yes, I realized that. I was questioning Miss Pernoud, not necessarily yourself.

    She takes her excerpt from the Eighth Dialogue of this work (begins near bottom of page):
    https://archive.org/details/artofcourtlylove0000andr_b8m2/page/107/mode/1up


    It may be somewhat bold, but I do question Miss Pernoud's assertion that her chosen excerpt is indicative of the common view of women at the time. The author seemingly admits that this is an instructional book on 'chatting her up' as some would say. Though, especially because the author was a Priest, I still view the work as more satirical or at least farcical in nature.

    I hold it true, whate'er befall;
    I feel it, when I sorrow most;
    'Tis better to have loved and lost
    Than never to have loved at all.
    (In Memoriam A. H. H., 27.13-17 Alfred, Lord Tennyson)

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    Re: Women in the middle ages
    « Reply #34 on: December 06, 2024, 11:23:01 AM »
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  • I was quoting the historian below who described it as a typical view of the time.

    Régine Pernoud (17 June 1909, [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Château-Chinon[/color], [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Nièvre[/color] – 22 April 1998, Paris) was a French historian and archivist.[color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)][1][/iurl][/font][/size][/color] Pernoud was one of the most prolific medievalists in 20th century France; more than any other single scholar of her time, her work advanced and expanded the study of [color=var(--color-progressive,#36c)]Joan of Arc[/color]
    I forgot to add that my use of the word "he" is probably the cause of the confusion. Apologies, I had switched to speaking in terms of a general principal, but using "she" would've avoided a misunderstanding.

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    Well, just because someone writes a book, doesn't make everything in it true or accurate. A reasonable question to be asked when reading it is "who said it was the standard male view of women at that time?" Does he she give any corroborating view from other authors of the time?

    I hold it true, whate'er befall;
    I feel it, when I sorrow most;
    'Tis better to have loved and lost
    Than never to have loved at all.
    (In Memoriam A. H. H., 27.13-17 Alfred, Lord Tennyson)


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    Re: Women in the middle ages
    « Reply #36 on: December 07, 2024, 08:55:08 AM »
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  • Yes, I realized that. I was questioning Miss Pernoud, not necessarily yourself.

    She takes her excerpt from the Eighth Dialogue of this work (begins near bottom of page):
    https://archive.org/details/artofcourtlylove0000andr_b8m2/page/107/mode/1up


    It may be somewhat bold, but I do question Miss Pernoud's assertion that her chosen excerpt is indicative of the common view of women at the time. The author seemingly admits that this is an instructional book on 'chatting her up' as some would say. Though, especially because the author was a Priest, I still view the work as more satirical or at least farcical in nature.




    Great stuff. 
    Jeb Smith is the author of Missing Monarchy: Correcting Misconceptions About The Middle Ages, Medieval Kingship, Democracy, And Liberty.