Author Topic: Women in the middle ages (Read 21759 times)

Isaac C Bishop · « **on:** December 01, 2024, 10:24:40 AM »

My latest article in The Postal Magazine looks at women during the Middle Ages and corrects many misconceptions about them. Much of the modern feminist movement simply restored what women already had before the return of secular Roman law during the 14th century. And at no time were women more valued or loved than in the Middle Ages. They were involved in financial decisions, educated, worked in various professions, and held enormous political power!

https://www.thepostil.com/women-in-the-middle-ages/

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #1 on:** December 01, 2024, 11:30:36 PM »

Quote from: Isaac C Bishop on December 01, 2024, 10:24:40 AM

My latest article in The Postal Magazine looks at women during the Middle Ages and corrects many misconceptions about them. Much of the modern feminist movement simply restored what women already had before the return of secular Roman law during the 14th century. And at no time were women more valued or loved than in the Middle Ages. They were involved in financial decisions, educated, worked in various professions, and held enormous political power!

https://www.thepostil.com/women-in-the-middle-ages/

Wow it's quite long. I haven't finished reading it but I wanted to ask. Near the beginning it mentions that before the return of Roman law women did not need to have parents consent for marriage. Was this state law? Church law? Right now a women must be at least 18 to marry without parental consent, how did this work during the time period mentioned above?

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2024, 12:05:13 AM »

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An opinion expressed in the 12th century by André le Chapelain is said to be the standard male view of women at that time:

all the good things of this life are given by God to do your [women’s] will and that of other ladies. It is evident, and for me absolutely clear, that men are nothing, that they are incapable of drinking at the source of goodness if they are not impelled to do so by women. However, women being the origin and cause of every good, and God having given them such a great prerogative…so it is obvious that each man must try to serve ladies so that he may be illuminated by their grace. …For all the good done by living beings is done through the love of women, in order to be praised by them, and to be able to extol the gifts that they give, without which nothing is done in life that deserves praise” (Pernoud, 97)

This just seems wrong and extreme... Perhaps women were a lot better in the past but this level of simping still seems too much. Especially considering how secular women act...

Philothea3 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2024, 03:39:12 AM »

1950s wife ×

1450s wife ✔️

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2024, 08:12:02 AM »

I heard a secular opinion on the matter and it makes sense. In former (sane) times, women valued family and children. So, men had to adjust their goals to accommodate what their women wanted. Thus, society in general, valued family/children.

In modern times, most women don’t value family nor children as the top priority (and in many cases, these arent even in the top 3 priorities). Thus, men aren’t adjusting their goals and society isn’t focused on the family.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2024, 08:38:18 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 02, 2024, 08:12:02 AM

I heard a secular opinion on the matter and it makes sense. In former (sane) times, women valued family and children. So, men had to adjust their goals to accommodate what their women wanted. Thus, society in general, valued family/children.

In modern times, most women don’t value family nor children as the top priority (and in many cases, these arent even in the top 3 priorities). Thus, men aren’t adjusting their goals and society isn’t focused on the family.

I agree with you. I don't know why you got a down vote.

Women do have a lot of power to lead civilization to God if they focus on what God wants them to focus on. Most women here on CathInfo do value family and nurturing relationships toward God, I think we are such a small population that maybe we feel like it doesn't really matter. I know I feel that way sometimes.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2024, 08:50:01 AM »

Yes and there are a good number of protestants who are pro-family, but they are still modernized to a degree, where they want a small family (limiting God's will) "balanced" by a career of some type. While this approach is pro-family, it's still far from the Catholic ideal (and norm) of pre-WW2 times.

Gray2023 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2024, 10:28:43 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 02, 2024, 08:50:01 AM

Yes and there are a good number of protestants who are pro-family, but they are still modernized to a degree, where they want a small family (limiting God's will) "balanced" by a career of some type. While this approach is pro-family, it's still far from the Catholic ideal (and norm) of pre-WW2 times.

Instead of just down voting. Maybe we can discuss the issues.

Women need to nurture by showing love first to their husband, then to their children, and then to their neighbor. If they do not have a husband and family, then they do that by their prayer life and helping their community. The more love woman put out there the more love will be returned.

This will then trickle into the rest of society.

I know that this is not how I sounded at first, but I have been paying attention and I see that with out love and respect, men cannot do the job they are expected to do. Women are suppose to teach people how to love.

Godefroy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2024, 12:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on December 02, 2024, 10:28:43 AM

I know that this is not how I sounded at first, but I have been paying attention and I see that with out love and respect, men cannot do the job they are expected to do. Women are suppose to teach people how to love.

I would be less than half the man I am, were it not for my wife's love and esteem.

I have such pity for liberal husbands who suffer such terribly selfish wives. I suspect that they would be far better men if it were otherwise

Merry · « **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2024, 02:14:41 PM »

The old saying, is that society/men are only as good as are the women - if the women are inferior/sinful/not elevated, men won't be better than that, won't rise above that.

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #10 on:** December 02, 2024, 05:31:22 PM »

Quote from: Gray2023 on December 02, 2024, 10:28:43 AM

Instead of just down voting. Maybe we can discuss the issues.

Women need to nurture by showing love first to their husband, then to their children, and then to their neighbor. If they do not have a husband and family, then they do that by their prayer life and helping their community. The more love woman put out there the more love will be returned.

This will then trickle into the rest of society.

I know that this is not how I sounded at first, but I have been paying attention and I see that with out love and respect, men cannot do the job they are expected to do. Women are suppose to teach people how to love.

Quote from: Godefroy on December 02, 2024, 12:02:37 PM

I would be less than half the man I am, were it not for my wife's love and esteem.

I have such pity for liberal husbands who suffer such terribly selfish wives. I suspect that they would be far better men if it were otherwise

Quote from: Merry on December 02, 2024, 02:14:41 PM

The old saying, is that society/men are only as good as are the women - if the women are inferior/sinful/not elevated, men won't be better than that, won't rise above that.

Well said, it's why so many men become toxic/players because they have become bitter towards women due to being hurt, either by their mothers or other women. Women also become bitter when hurt by men, like their fathers or other men.... A vicious cycle. Plus Jєωιѕн propaganda encouraging this and making things much much worse.

Dominique · « **Reply #11 on:** December 03, 2024, 12:29:36 AM »

Quote from: Isaac C Bishop on December 01, 2024, 10:24:40 AM

My latest article in The Postal Magazine looks at women during the Middle Ages and corrects many misconceptions about them. Much of the modern feminist movement simply restored what women already had before the return of secular Roman law during the 14th century. And at no time were women more valued or loved than in the Middle Ages. They were involved in financial decisions, educated, worked in various professions, and held enormous political power!

https://www.thepostil.com/women-in-the-middle-ages/

I apologize in advance because my response is not related directly to your post... But I had a look at The Postil website and I was wondering why The War Memoirs of Charles de Gaulle were advertised on it? De Gaulle was not a war hero. In fact he was a deserter who escaped the execution squad because his superior thought he had been killed in action, in March 1916. He surrendered to the enemy and gave them the information they wanted. He was freed after 33 months.
After he came into power, his dossier was disappeared. Admiral Muselier said de Gaulle was "the greatest deserter of the French Army". He came into power in 1958 by promising the French in Algeria to always keep Algeria French... and gave Algeria its independence in 1962, after having the French Army shoot the French population in Algiers.
He also facilitated the penetration of Communists in the French government.
Not someone whose war memoirs we should be promoting, in my opinion... ;-)

Philothea3 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2024, 01:55:44 AM »

Quote from: AnthonyPadua on December 02, 2024, 12:05:13 AM

This just seems wrong and extreme... Perhaps women were a lot better in the past but this level of simping still seems too much. Especially considering how secular women act...

You call it simping. I call it chivalry. Only when women are respected and protected for their feminine virtues, they may take on the responsibility to safeguard the society's morals, and not to desperately become a lesser version of men who are secular.

Godefroy · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2024, 02:02:21 AM »

Quote from: Dominique on December 03, 2024, 12:29:36 AM

I apologize in advance because my response is not related directly to your post... But I had a look at The Postil website and I was wondering why The War Memoirs of Charles de Gaulle were advertised on it? De Gaulle was not a war hero. In fact he was a deserter who escaped the execution squad because his superior thought he had been killed in action, in March 1916. He surrendered to the enemy and gave them the information they wanted. He was freed after 33 months.
After he came into power, his dossier was disappeared. Admiral Muselier said de Gaulle was "the greatest deserter of the French Army". He came into power in 1958 by promising the French in Algeria to always keep Algeria French... and gave Algeria its independence in 1962, after having the French Army shoot the French population in Algiers.
He also facilitated the penetration of Communists in the French government.
Not someone whose war memoirs we should be promoting, in my opinion... ;-)

De Gaulle is one in a long line of traitors that betrayed France. He was worst in many ways because he is considered to the 'right'. However, he covered for the communist massacre of 100,000 patriots in the years following the second world war, in the 'épuration' and left education and culture in the hands of the left.

There is one silver lining though, he said of the Jews after the 6 day war: " the Jews, hitherto dispersed, but who had remained what they had always been, that is to say, an elite people, sure of themselves and domineering, have they not come, once gathered in the site of their former greatness, to change into ardent and conquering ambition the very moving wishes which they had formed for nineteen centuries: next year in Jerusalem"

That was the end for him as (((they))) programmed the May 1969 riots that brought down in his government.

I was not particuarly enthusiastic when our SSPX school, took the children to visit the Normandy D Day beaches for a school outing, when instead they could have visited the tomb of the Marechal Pétain in the île d'Yeu in the Vendée instead. It would be if a US SSPX school took the children to visit the Lincoln Memorial rather than the grave of Stonewall Jackson. It just doesn't seem right

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2024, 02:25:19 AM »

Quote from: Philothea3 on December 03, 2024, 01:55:44 AM

You call it simping. I call it chivalry. Only when women are respected and protected for their feminine virtues, they may take on the responsibility to safeguard the society's morals, and not to desperately become a lesser version of men who are secular.

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all the good things of this life are given by God to do your [women’s] will and that of other ladies. It is evident, and for me absolutely clear, that men are nothing, that they are incapable of drinking at the source of goodness if they are not impelled to do so by women. However, women being the origin and cause of every good, and God having given them such a great prerogative…so it is obvious that each man must try to serve ladies so that he may be illuminated by their grace. …For all the good done by living beings is done through the love of women, in order to be praised by them, and to be able to extol the gifts that they give, without which nothing is done in life that deserves praise” (Pernoud, 97)

Really pay attention. This filth isn't even Catholic let alone chivalrous.

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