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Offline AnonymousCatholic

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Witch Trials during Thirty Years War
« on: June 28, 2016, 07:12:38 PM »
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  • I've been reading a little about the Thirty Years War using wikipedia and what I read on witch trials puzzled me. First the Church held the stance that witch Trials were heresy because they recognized the power of witchcraft but then it adopted a stance that saw witch craft as Satan worship.



    Anyone know this time well enough to share? And does anyone know the current stance of the Church regarding witch craft? I doubt V2 changed anything in regards to this but if they did we should stick to pre V2.


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    Witch Trials during Thirty Years War
    « Reply #1 on: June 28, 2016, 07:46:54 PM »
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    I've been reading a little about the Thirty Years War using wikipedia and what I read on witch trials puzzled me. First the Church held the stance that witch Trials were heresy because they recognized the power of witchcraft but then it adopted a stance that saw witch craft as Satan worship.



    Anyone know this time well enough to share? And does anyone know the current stance of the Church regarding witch craft? I doubt V2 changed anything in regards to this but if they did we should stick to pre V2.


    I don't understand your confusion.

    A witch is using the power of the devil, so yes the power is real, but it's from the devil. And you don't get use of the devil's power without honoring/worshiping him in some way.

    It's pretty simple, really.
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    Witch Trials during Thirty Years War
    « Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 05:46:32 AM »
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    And does anyone know the current stance of the Church regarding witch craft?  


    You mean like, "Who am I to judge?"  

    The Conciliar church has a commission, office, or congregation (not sure of the structure) for relations with non-Christian religions.  Pope Wojtyla actively participated in pagan worship services.  Pope Bergoglio is loathe to condemn anyone other that traditional Catholics.

    I'd say the current stance of the Conciliar church is that practitioners of witchcraft are on the same road as they are.  And I would agree.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 09:57:13 AM »
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    And does anyone know the current stance of the Church regarding witch craft?  





    La Republica, February 5, 1993
    EcuмENISM : POPE DIALOGUES WITH VOODOO SUPREME HIGH "PRIEST"GUEDEGUE

    "Two monarchs, head to head, "One is John Paul II, the true Pope, head of the universal Catholic Church .... who traveled from the Vatican to Africa. The other is the 'high priest' Guedegue, the supreme head of Voodoo, which in Benin counts a quarter of the population, and the one who represents the spiritual point of reference for all the followers of the world of that religion of the Devil.

    "At the meeting with the Pontiff, Guedegue was accompanied by a hundred 'priests' all proudly garbed in traditional 'vestments' and with their faces marked by long scars - a vestige of their initiations into the voodoo cult. The Pope received them with great respect and did not lose the opportunity to talk about dialogue, constructive relationships, and religious liberty."

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    JPII Praises Voodoo Worship

    Meeting with Guedegue of Benin, the Supreme Voodoo high-priest of the World, on February 4, 1993 during his visit to Benin, John Paul II gives the rationale to justify voodoo worship according to the principles of Vatican II.

    From:  John Paul II, Greeting to a Voodoo high-priest of Benin, published under the title "La libertà religiosa è un diritto inalienabile," in L'Osservatore Romano, February 6, 1993, p. 4:  


    Dear friends,
    I am pleased to have this occasion to meet you, and I very cordially greet you. As you know, I came to Benin principally to visit with the Catholic community, to encourage it and confirm it in the faith. However, I have always thought that contact with persons who belong to other religious traditions is an important part of my ministry.

    Indeed, the Catholic Church is favorable to dialogue: dialogue with Christians of other churches and ecclesial communities, dialogue with believers of other spiritual families, and dialogue even with those who do not profess any religion. The Church establishes positive and constructive relations with persons and human groups of other creeds for a reciprocal enrichment.

    Vatican Council II …. recognized that there are truth and good, seeds of the Word, in the various religious traditions. …
    These provide the foundations for a fruitful dialogue, as the Apostle Paul said to the first Christians: “Everything that is true, noble, just, pure, amiable, honorable, whatever is virtuous and deserves praise, let all these things be the object of your thinking.” From this comes our approach of respect [toward you]: respect for true values wherever they are, and overall respect for the man who looks to live these values that help him set aside fear.

    You are strongly attached to the traditions which your ancestors transmitted to you. It is legitimate to recognize the ancestors who transmitted to you the sense of the sacral, faith in a one and good god, your tastes for celebrations, and consideration for moral life and harmony in society.
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    La Docuмentation Catholique, Dec. 7, 1986.

    Voodoo priests were among the guests of John Paul II at the panreligious meeting of Assisi. They were accorded the same treatment as the other confessions and were given a place to carry out their worship.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 10:28:27 AM »
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  • Remember too that the 'ultra-conservative' Benedict XVI repeated this pagan sacrilege.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 01, 2016, 02:09:45 PM »
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    I've been reading a little about the Thirty Years War using wikipedia and what I read on witch trials puzzled me. First the Church held the stance that witch Trials were heresy because they recognized the power of witchcraft but then it adopted a stance that saw witch craft as Satan worship.



    Anyone know this time well enough to share? And does anyone know the current stance of the Church regarding witch craft? I doubt V2 changed anything in regards to this but if they did we should stick to pre V2.


    I don't understand your confusion.

    A witch is using the power of the devil, so yes the power is real, but it's from the devil. And you don't get use of the devil's power without honoring/worshiping him in some way.

    It's pretty simple, really.




    My curiosity is towards the Church response at the time of these witch trials, for according to Wikipedia the best response the Church could do was a few papal bulls and condemnation. Now given the history of the Catholic Church it is very unlike the Church to not deal with things like this with a more direct approach. Spanish trials for heretics going overboard, Church sends inquisitors. Muslims attack Byzantium (an Orthodox people) Pope calls a crusade.




    Basically I am asking for some information on the topic from reliable sources.