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Offline Alan

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Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
« on: October 19, 2019, 01:35:49 AM »
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2019, 02:21:28 AM »
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    • With all due respect is it not rather that Our Lady is asking US to do something?  Like making a public, united act of fasting and penance summarising the Pope's heresies and praying for his return to the true faith. Since the Pope cannot be judged by anyone but God, and since the hierarchy cannot take legal action against an heretical pope 'all of them together, or any one of them in particular, can condemn his teaching;  they can accuse him before God's tribunal, warn him of his sins, and remind him of the divine wrath.  Should this measure fail to produce any correction they can denounce him before his subjects the Catholic faithful, and warn them that they are not to listen to his teaching.   Indeed, not only may the prelates of the Curch do this, they have a most serious obligation to do it, an obligation which is as grave as the heresies are pernicious and scandalous.   And if they fail to do this, they become a party to the pope's crimes, and will most certainly share in his punishment.

    Moreover, where the bishops default in their solemn duty to protect the Church and God' little sheep, the priests and the laypeople have not the right, but the duty to raise their voices to God in prayer for the misguided man, but they also speak out to the bishops and the priests, and among temselves so as to warn their brothers and sisters in Christ that the plague of heresy has infected even their Holy Father and has rendered him dangerous and unclean."  (Taken from Fr. Wathen's  "Who Shall Ascend" Pg.401-402 )


    Holy abandonment is found not in resignation and laziness but at the heart of action and initiative;.  It would be dishonest to pray for victory without really fighting for it  [...]  'The things I pray for', St. Thomas More prayed magnanimously, 'dear Lord, give me the grace to work for.':  (The Biography of Marcel Lefebvre"  P.568. ) 
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2019, 05:56:59 AM »
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    • Great post donkath!

    I will pray that the synod ends in the fashion of the Tower of Babel. 
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2019, 08:22:07 AM »
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    • I feel that this would be like praying for some Lutheran gathering to be less hereticaler than it otherwise would be.
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2019, 09:11:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 19, 2019, 08:22:07 AM
    I feel that this would be like praying for some Lutheran gathering to be less hereticaler than it otherwise would be.
    Why is that though?  Haven’t you distinguished the novus ordo from Lutherans though? 
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2019, 10:39:31 AM »
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    • https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/key-amazon-synod-organization-accepting-funds-from-american-multi-billion-dollar-pro-abortion-charity
    Archbishop Roque Paloschi at Oct. 17 press briefing.Edward Pentin / National Catholic Register
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    NEWSCATHOLIC CHURCHThu Oct 17, 2019 - 11:26 am EST
    Key group behind Amazon Synod accepting funds from large U.S. pro-abortion charity
      Abortion, Amazon Synod, Catholic, Ford Foundation
    ROME, October 17, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — A co-founding organization of REPAM, the ecclesial network responsible for the planning and execution of the Amazon Synod being held at the Vatican, has received over $2 million dollars from an American multi-billion-dollar, pro-abortion and pro-gender theory foundation, it emerged at today’s synod press briefing.
    At the Oct. 17 presser, Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register brought to the attention of Archbishop Roque Paloschi, of Porto Velho, Brazil, the findings of Brazilian journalist Bernardo Küster who has discovered that the CIMI (the Missionary Council of Indigenous Peoples) has “received significant funding from the Ford Foundation.” Archbishop Paloschi is president of the organization.
    “It’s well known, especially in the United States, that the Ford Foundation is an overtly pro-abortion organization that also advocates gender ideology — both of which the Church strongly opposes,” the Vatican journalist said.   

    Holding up evidence in the Vatican press hall of grants CIMI received from the foundation, Pentin continued: “Looking at the Ford Foundation grants database, it shows that from 2010 to 2015, the CIMI received close to a million dollars from the Ford Foundation.” 

    “CIMI’s local branch — the Indigenous Council of Roraima — has received $1.2m from 2006 until last year,” he added.
    “Could you tell us, therefore, why your organization, which is also part of the Brazilian bishops’ conference, is accepting funding from such an organization? And is any of that funding being used to fund REPAM and therefore this Synod?,” Pentin asked the archsbishop. 
    In his response, Archbishop Paloschi did not deny receiving funding from the Ford Foundation, but instead acknowledged that “the figures are on the internet.” 
    Bypassing any mention of the moral problem of accepting funding from an overtly pro-abortion, pro-gender theory foundation, the archbishop’s response focused instead on the agency’s accountability to the Brazilian government. The CIMI accounts, he said, have been checked both “internally” and at the federal level.
    He acknowledged that CIMI is “connected to the Brazilian bishops” and that they “don’t have any disagreement about working together but we do not exchange resources.”

    Archbishop Paloschi added: “REPAM’s resources belong to REPAM and CIMI’s resources belong to CIMI.”
    Seemingly more concerned by the possibility of fraud than the moral corruption of accepting funds from a multi-billion-dollar pro-abortion foundation, the archbishop stressed that his “personal bank account” has already been checked by “a government commission.” He added that there have been “two parliamentary inquiries — at the regional and state level."
    The archbishop ended his remarks, saying that “no mistakes” were found and “no formal accusation was made.”
    Raymond Arroyo responded on Twitter, saying: 
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    Fascinating question by @EdwardPentin about the Ford Foundation possibly underwriting the #AmazonSynod. The response is a word salad of deflection; essentially 'our accounting is just great!' Nice dodge. https://twitter.com/CatholicSat/status/1184822039372271617 …
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    At #SinodoAmazonico #AmazonSynod Presser; @EdwardPentin ask Abp Roque Paloschi, President of Cimi, the Brazilian Bishops' Conference Indigenous Missionary Council, about the funding Cimi has received from the Ford Foundation, a pro-abortion organisation. Response below [Thread]






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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2019, 11:36:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 19, 2019, 09:11:22 AM
    Why is that though?  Haven’t you distinguished the novus ordo from Lutherans though?

    I have distinguished people who profess the Catholic faith from those who profess Lutheranism ... not as a group or an institution.
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2019, 01:44:19 PM »
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    • Prayers answered!  Habemus papam!  Patriarch Elijah and Bishops of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate have elected and proclaimed in an extraordinary election as rightful Pope, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano!

    This is serious---no joke:



    https://gloria.tv/text/FwTRDksvW4iJ6sMiNBCea2Eb9

    Patriarch Elijah: "Francis Bergoglio is an open heretic and apostate, i.e. an invalid Pope."
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2019, 02:47:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on October 19, 2019, 01:44:19 PM
    Prayers answered!  Habemus papam!  Patriarch Elijah and Bishops of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate have elected and proclaimed in an extraordinary election as rightful Pope, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano!

    You know the saddest part of all this?  That Bergoglio drove them to it.  Obviously this has no canonical basis, but the premise, that Bergoglio is a manifest heretic and apostate intent on destroying both the Papacy and the Church, is not at all without foundation.
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2019, 03:04:00 PM »
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    • I admire them for defending Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Faith!  Are any of the FSSPX or SSPV bishops speaking out?
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2019, 05:38:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Texana on October 19, 2019, 03:04:00 PM
    I admire them for defending Our Lord Jesus Christ and the Faith!  Are any of the FSSPX or SSPV bishops speaking out?
    Sometimes "speaking out" is more an act of vanity or self-indulgence than a real sign of something meaningful. 
    Imagine two brothers.  One is a righteous man.  The other ran away from home after emptying all financial accounts entrusted to him.  The runaway brother then engages in adultery and blasphemy.  The runaway brother then decides to move back home and berate others for trying to  hold him accountable for the theft of the inheritance.  So after living at home again, this same brother pushes his sister down a flight of stairs, not killing her but rendering her into an invalid.  The brother then steals the deed to the family home and sells it and keeps the money all to himself and uses this money to open an abortion clinic.  So, after all that, does the righteous brother say "My brother opening an abortion clinic is a bridge too far.  I can't abide."
    These Novus Ordites have been making a mockery of everything since 1968.  Why would what's happening in the Amazonian Synod be a shocker?
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2019, 11:02:03 PM »
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    • No wonder the Church is in great crisis, please look at the table below.


    People who watched their Amazon Synod VideoSigned up at their website to pray for Amazon SynodSigned Petition to remove Amazon synod idolsMost recent no. of Petition Signees % signed up to pray for Amazon Synod
    Lifesite News37000306917000  -18.1%
    TFP Student Action330002500   N/A1604515.6%


    Such a low % of people who are concerned with the Amazon Synod actually signed up to pray for the synod. As of last night, only 18.1% signed up to pray at Lifesite News website. And only 15.6% signed up to pray at TFP Student Action website.
    They are not ordinary Catholics, but Catholics who are concerned with the Church crisis. If so many many of them are reluctant to pray for the Church, what about other Catholics ??

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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #12 on: October 23, 2019, 12:41:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Alan on October 22, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
    No wonder the Church is in great crisis, please look at the table below.


    People who watched their Amazon Synod VideoSigned up at their website to pray for Amazon SynodSigned Petition to remove Amazon synod idolsMost recent no. of Petition Signees % signed up to pray for Amazon Synod
    Lifesite News37000306917000 -18.1%
    TFP Student Action330002500  N/A1604515.6%


    Such a low % of people who are concerned with the Amazon Synod actually signed up to pray for the synod. As of last night, only 18.1% signed up to pray at Lifesite News website. And only 15.6% signed up to pray at TFP Student Action website.
    They are not ordinary Catholics, but Catholics who are concerned with the Church crisis. If so many many of them are reluctant to pray for the Church, what about other Catholics ??
    I don't think the number of people willing to join an email list is a direct reflection of the number of people actually praying for the Church.
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #13 on: October 23, 2019, 04:07:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on October 23, 2019, 12:41:28 AM
    I don't think the number of people willing to join an email list is a direct reflection of the number of people actually praying for the Church.
    Exactly. I do pray but I won't sign up because you later get inundated with unrequested and unwanted emails.
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    Re: Will you pray a Rosary for the outcome of the Synod?
    « Reply #14 on: October 23, 2019, 04:27:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on October 23, 2019, 04:07:35 AM
    Exactly. I do pray but I won't sign up because you later get inundated with unrequested and unwanted emails.

    But how about those 17000 signees??
    Didn't they know they'd get unwanted emails before signing that remove synod idols petition ??
    Why'd they mind signing the prayer pledge if they didn't mind signing the remove idol petition??

    You might be one of those few exceptions. In general I believe there is a good correlation between signing and praying.
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