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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Will Race Blending Help Cure America?
« on: February 08, 2017, 04:02:14 AM »
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  • Well, we aren't even halfway out of Black History Month, and there's just so many black history issues to keep talking about.  I think that with this post, I'm interested in generating some conversation to sort of invest in next year's considerations.  I thought quite a bit about the Curse of Ham, thanks to last year's discussion started by rum.  

    But now, I'm going to turn this upside down on folks, upend a lot of assumptions, and discuss a particular statistic.  

    It seems that couples in which the man is white and the woman is black have a highly successful rate, with an extremely low percentage of divorce.  Far lower than white man/white woman divorce rates, and definitely black man/black woman divorce rates.  

    While I have no objection to various people's private preferences--principled or just based on preference--I actually do not oppose race mixing.

    To generate some nice complex thoughts on this, I recommend Captain Capitalism's recent video, The Economics of Reverse Jungle Fever:



    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/oIK0rrt4368[/youtube]

    Also, let's consider the success of the Spanish colonization of pre-Judaized English America.  Consider how the royalty in Spain wanted to elevate the natives, and even encouraged the Spanish conquistadors to interbreed with them.  This is an excerpt from C.H. Haring's The Spanish Empire in America:

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    The Papal Bull of 1493, which gave to the kings of Castile dominion over the Indies, imposed one supreme obligation: to spread the gospel and draw the pagans into the Church of Christ; and Isabella to the day of her death regarded the welfare of the American natives as a major responsibility. When, therefore, the new governor, Nicolas de Ovando, came out to America in 1502, he was instructed by Isabella to assure the native chiefs that they and their people were under the crown's special protection. They might go in entire fredom about the island, and no one was to rob them or harm them in any way, under severe penalties. They were to pay tribute only as the rest of the king's subjects. Only in the royal service in mines or on public works might they be compelled to labor. These orders were followed to the letter. But left to themselves, the Indians refused to work...They withdrew from all association with the colonists, with results that from the European point of view were disastrous. Within a few months Governor Ovando wrote to Spain protesting that the only effect was the falling off of tribute, lack of labor, and inability to carry forward the work of conversion to Christianity.

    The soverigns replied with the famous orders of March and December 1503, which legalized the forced labor of free Indians but attempted at the same time to protect them from uncontrolled exploitation. The natives must be made to work, if necessary, on buildings and farms and in the mines, but in moderation and for reasonable wages. At the same time, to ensure their being civilized, they must be gathered into villages, under the administration of a patron or protector, and provided with a school and a missionary priest. Each adult Indian was to have a house and land which he might not alienate. Intermarriage of Spaniards and Indians was also to be encouraged. And in everything they were to be treated "as free persons, for such they are." Only cannibal Indians from neighboring islands if taken in war might be sold into slavery.


    Keep in mind that last bolded part:

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    Intermarriage of Spaniards and Indians was also to be encouraged. And in everything they were to be treated "as free persons, for such they are."


    I would say that the Catholic Spanish were doing a fine job of converting the natives, compared to the isolating and genocidal actions of the Protestant English.  

    (As an aside, this is actually one of the places where I disagree with Vox Day, who wants to return the United States to a pre-1965 demographic in order to fix America's problems.)

    So, the question of the hour is this: Will blending the people together into one identity help to cure America's problems?  I'm not saying it's a be-all-end-all cure.  But I am asking if racial blending will be conducive to erasing the racial rifts of this country.

    Because let's face it: the whites, blacks, hispanics, and shred of Indians--not to mention the other brown peoples from everywhere else who are a small minority--these people are not realistically going anywhere anytime soon.  (Yes, Trump may massively deport illegal immigrants, but there will still be substantial amounts of Latin Americans here on the other side of that action.)

    If it worked for the Spanish, and if statistics seem to point in that direction, then is it true?

    Discuss.

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    Will Race Blending Help Cure America?
    « Reply #1 on: February 08, 2017, 09:27:18 AM »
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  • Very good post, Laramie! I agree that marriage into another culture is a good thing from a Catholic modus operandi, as I myself am a successsful product of the Spanish assimilation program. But, to what end would that help here in the U.S.A? We have India Indians and Russians, Mexicans, Vietnamese (third most spoken language in Texas), Germans, French, Chinese, Nigerians, Kenyans, etc. How long would it take for all these people to mingle and make one, large, new culture? Too long I say, and all their different customs and traditions would take even longer to merge! Plus, there would likely be no Catholic motive behind a movement like this, so I personally dont see it working towards unifications as a people. However, that does not mean it is not already happening. My distant cousin and my brother and I were once talking about how so many people around us (but mostly around our cousin) was married to a foreigner or some one of another race. It seems, to our obeservation, that a great many people (the greater majority) tend to marry a woman from another country. One theory is that a number of American men (especially the more reasonable or intelligent ones) are too familiar with the drawbacks of American women and how they are even less suited to make a decent wife. Has anyone seen how liberal, self centered and unreasonable many of them can be? Certainly, there ARE good ones out there but, they seem to be out-numbered by liberal non-Catholics, unfortunately.

    So, my conclusion is that with so many different people mixing with other cultures over and over, will eventually  (likely) lead to several or even many different groups or cultures acording to geographic distribution, rather then just one. A good example of this is Mexico, as the people in each corner and both ends of the country are different. Customs, color, and dialect differ in each respective location. Even after 500 years the Spanish have not made them into one people, with the exception that they were Roman Catholic and all began to speak Spanish. One must not forget though, that some remote locations still speak their indigenous tongues!
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


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    Will Race Blending Help Cure America?
    « Reply #2 on: February 08, 2017, 09:43:48 AM »
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  • Dear Laramie,

    Despite the fact that in real life, the actor is a Talmudic jew, your boldness reminds me of "Captain Kirk".




    You've gone on this forum... where no other white man dared to go.



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Will Race Blending Help Cure America?
    « Reply #3 on: February 08, 2017, 10:31:14 AM »
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  • I think the eventual blending of the races will do exactly what the NWO intends it to do- dissolve the True Catholic Faith and the name of Jesus Christ that was cultivated and magnified by  white European culture. The great threat to the Satanic globalists is the white ( male) European that created Western Christian culture through the Church-there is great power in that,  and they know it. I'm not saying that other races can't be true Catholics, it's just that historically Christianity has been dominated and cultivated and promulgated (evangelized) to other races by the white European and their ancestors who have had the generational "saturation" of Catholicism that the other races haven't. Racial blending breaks down these roots-many times.

    Now saying that, I am not against mixed race marriages ( as long as it is Catholic marriage) on a personal basis. I'm fine with it .I feel any race can promote Catholicism and be seriously Catholic, it's just that they generally don't. It's not in their ancestry, history or culture. Yes, converts make the best Catholics, or so it is said, but the generality of this homogenization seems to result in the dilution of the faith, not just the races.
     Souls are souls- but when I see a concerted effort by the Powers that Be and the media to promote this blending, I know it is agenda driven. I am against their agenda.
    There are giant exceptions to what I have said. I consider the races of the Spanish conquests to be superior Catholics, and now Europe is post Christian- but this was part of the agenda, too.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 08, 2017, 10:45:51 AM »
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  • I agree with JosefaMendez.
    The Catholic Spaniards had persevered, with the help of Our Lady and Lord to survive 700 years of muslim/jew wars and treachery.

    They were the ideal Catholic missionary race to tame the new world, which had been corrupted with the help of our elder brothers (another topic).

    But let's focus on the heart of the matter: The NWO is Talmudic judaism in the form of virulent genetically racist zionism. To them, it is all genetics.

    The following expose on Ben Shaprio points this out so clearly.



    The irony of it all, is it IS genetics,
    And they corrupted their own genes from the moment they proudly cursed themselves and their children, with the
    Blood of Our Lord.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Will Race Blending Help Cure America?
    « Reply #5 on: February 08, 2017, 04:04:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: josefamenendez
    I think the eventual blending of the races will do exactly what the NWO intends it to do- dissolve the True Catholic Faith and the name of Jesus Christ that was cultivated and magnified by  white European culture. The great threat to the Satanic globalists is the white ( male) European that created Western Christian culture through the Church-there is great power in that,  and they know it.


    Well, yes.  The Jews are the most racist group on the face of the Earth, it seems.  And they are definitely oriented against all gentiles.  The Japethites seem to be their greatest bane, to be sure.  

    However, keep this in mind.  Just because they and the rest of the Judaized world have made a god out of globalist universalism--that does not mean that globalist universalism is bad.  I would say that globalist universalism is a neutral thing--like a car, or fire, or a knife; it can be used for good or ill.  Furthermore, I do not think that we have seen a good form of universalism on a macroscale for generations.  Universalism is put onto a pedestal and worshipped.  

    However, what if actually, the universalism that the godless worship is actually a fruit of Catholicism?  I mean, "Catholic" means universal, after all.  

    I explore this concept in a hypothetical scenario that takes place shortly after the confusion of tongues, at Babel:

    http://thehirschfiles.blogspot.com/2017/01/race-issues-2c-tower-of-babel.html

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    Race Issues 2c: The Tower of Babel - An Optimistic, Hypothetical De-Segregation Scenario

    I have two hypothetical scenarios for what could have otherwise happened at Babel. Let's start with the most optimistic fantasy of the two.

    The building of the Tower of Babel was the work of pride. The builders aimed at constructing something according to their own ideas, and thus resist the guidance of God. When the children of Noe had become very numerous, the proudest and most experienced among them met to resolve upon this execution of some work so great and so strong as to be the wonder of all ages to come and cause the builders to be spoken of as the most skillful, the most powerful of men. They thought not of God, they sought only their own glory. Had it been otherwise, as I was distinctly told, God would have allowed their undertaking to succeed.
    - Venerable Catherine Anne Emmerich, The Life of Jesus Christ and Biblical Revelations


    Imagine we are back at the scene--the city of Babel. God has just poured out the confusion of tongues upon all of the men of that country. For the first time, men no longer speak a single language.

    However, before the people begin to leave this city, they stop in their tracks. Each person within the city, regardless of what new dialect he now speaks, returns to his home, and he comes out in sackcloth. And then, each man weeps in extreme grief, throwing ashes from a jar over his head, falling prostrate onto the ground, wailing, and crying out to God in Heaven for forgiveness.

    Imagine such a scene. Imagine the ancient people of the land of Shinar acting like the citizens of Ninevah. The entire population of the City of Babel would be repenting and praying for forgiveness.

    The different groups of men would perhaps feel a strong pull in some direction: the East, the South, or even far away to the Northwest. Perhaps the leaders among the various groups had visions of angels urging them to take their new tribes away to distant climes. Yet, these Mesopatamians first would pray, fast, and beg God for mercy.

    "God! Creator of the Universe! We beg you for your forgiveness! Do not separate us from our other brothers and sisters! Please do not exile us to the far extremes of the world!"


    After forty days of fasting, abstenence, prayer, penance, and mortifications, God takes pity on the people of Babel. Gone is the push from an unseen Force to depart from the city. Community leaders are no longer having visions or experiencing apparitions of angels who urge them to leave Shinar. Though the people of Babel are still separated into groups by language, they now feel that God has allowed the family of Mankind to stay united in this global city. Yes, the world of men would eventually branch out from Babel in the fullness of time, but it would be on their terms and according to their own choices.


    And so, grateful that God had allowed them to remain together, the people of Babel spent their existence in thanksgiving. They would sing praises to the God of the Universe for His benevolence and mercy in this matter. For a while, the project on the Tower would halt. Instead, attention would be put into civic matters. The city would be cleaned up, and the needs of the poor would draw more interest. The visible signs of God in nature would be studied carefully, and the energies of this new type of man would be focused on understanding the Mind of God, and man's place in His universe. Science and the arts would flourish. After a number of generations pass, the tongues of the people of Babel would meld into one universal language, as it was in the beginning, and even the three main tribes of Noah--the Shemites, Japetites, and the Hamites--would intermix through marriage. The idea of a single, unified world of man would become a famous idea amidst the populace, and the people would praise the Maker on an ongoing basis.



    Finally, the time would come when the Nation of Babel would restart the Tower project. They would erect it so high, that the thin atmosphere at its peak would render breathing difficult. An entire day or more would be spent trying to reach its summit. The completed project would be mankind's ultimate tribute to God. Instead of being a challenge to the Almighty, the Tower of Babel would be an outward sign of Man's devotion to Him. Like a cathedral with the tallest arches, the Tower of Babel would reach like a spire into the Heavens, reflecting Man's conception of the enormous majesty of his Creator.

    As the nation ages, and the citizens become more of a unified and singular people, sharing a mother tongue once more becomes a reality. There are no tribal divisions within their society, nor does anyone seek to remember how they were once divided from each other. The "confusion of the tongues" that God allowed is remembered more as a cultural nightmare and a legendary spook story to frighten children and scare people from discord.


    In the end, the nation of Babel was the only government that mankind had ever known. They advanced as a people beyond the wildest dreams of the earliest generation of Babylonians. More towers would be built in honor of God, each reaching higher into the clouds, and each tower constructed in more of an advanced fashion than the previous megastructure. The city and country grew larger throughout the millenia, and the center of Babel sported miles-long towers that turned a part of the land of Shinar into dark lands that never saw the sunlight.

    Men enlarged the majesty of their land in honor of the God of the Universe who united them all. They drove into the future, exceeding the advancements of the most technological civilizations, together and in unison with the will of their Father in Heaven. There were no other tribes, no other nations, and there was never any subversive element to their society.

    Theirs was a universal global kingdom, and all of the people were united in an actual and truly holy brotherhood of mankind, far into the future until the day came when God returned to walk among men once more.  They all lived happily ever after.


    What do you think about this?
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    « Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 04:44:37 PM »
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  • Latin Americans are not all that friendly with other groups under that umbrella. It's common that Hispanics and Latinos don't want their children marrying darker skinned people, not just blacks. The Japanese and Chinese are pretty genetically similar, and yet they hate each other. The Irish and English look pretty similar but it doesn't unite them.

    I've seen the alt-right crypto-Kike Steve Sailer promoting this mixing races model for the future America.

    Even if the races were blended, some would still be lighter or darker than others and natural factions would arise. These factions would ultimately become distinct new peoples.

    When it comes to miscegenation, the Church both approves of peoples who want to mix with other peoples, but it also has no problem with anti-miscegenation laws. I doubt anti-miscegenation laws are a necessity to insure the preservation of a race, as people almost always gravitate to those who look like themselves. This is as true of Catholics as it is of any other group. Even people who mate with someone of another race often want to raise their mixed-race children among their own race. I know a white woman who was briefly married to an Arab Muslim. He wanted to live in an Arab neighborhood and raise the children with an Arab identity. She wanted to raise them in a white neighborhood. This was one of the reasons they broke up.

     

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