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Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
« on: May 02, 2020, 08:58:44 AM »
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  • The Muslim world’s reaction to the Covid-19 pandemic helps to highlight some important aspects of the Islamic faith. It also reveals some important differences between Islam and Christianity.

    Of course, there are similarities as well. The main one is that Muslims, like Christians, are praying to God to spare them and their loved ones from the contagion.

    Still, the differences are quite instructive. One of the chief differences is that many Muslims have a fatalistic attitude toward life. When a Muslim says inshallah—“if Allah wills”—it’s not quite the same thing as a Christian saying “God willing.” Ours is a God of reason; if He permits something, even if we don’t understand why, we can be sure it’s for a good reason and, ultimately, for our own good. In other words, He’s not capricious, and He abides by the laws He has established. In Islam, on the other hand, Allah is conceived of as pure will, unbounded by reason or the laws of nature. Things happen, not because there are natural causes and consequences, but because Allah wills each event directly.

    From a strictly fatalistic viewpoint, there’s no sense in wearing masks, washing hands, or practicing social distancing. If Allah wills that you get the virus, you will get it; if he doesn’t, you won’t. Thus, some Muslims—most notably, members of the global Hizb ut-Tahrir movement—don’t insure their cars or wear seatbelts. When one’s time is up, it’s useless to take precautions.

    Likewise, in the face of the epidemic, the Islamic revivalist movement Tablighi Jamaat held a massive conference in Lahore, which drew 250,000 attendees; another in Kuala Lumpur, which drew 16,000; and yet another in Delhi, which drew 3,000. Thousands of cases of Covid-19 in Asia and the Middle East have been traced back to these meetings.

    Of course, one has to be careful when making generalizations about 1.7 billion people. It’s probable that a majority of Muslims worldwide do observe public health precautions. They trust in Allah, but they also pay attention to the health authorities. Even the emir of Tablighi Jamaat, Maulana Muhammad Saad Kandhlawi, has said that it is permissible to follow “the doctor’s advice and take precautionary measures.” Yet this, he adds, only applies “to the extent that they do not cause suspension of your religious duties”—that is, attendance at mosque. Thus, “if you abandoned any of your religious duties due to your zeal to take precautions, God will pull his hand off you.”

    Some Muslims believe that Allah will save them from the plague simply because they are Muslims, and other Muslims are taking every precaution. Yet, on the whole, it seems that Muslims are less prudent about the epidemic than other populations. In addition to the reckless behavior of Tablighi Jamaat, there have been numerous reports of Muslims in India, Europe, and Canada who have resisted government requests for social distancing. In the city of Qom—the epicenter of the epidemic in Iran—it was the clerics who resisted public health efforts to close the main shrine, even though the shrine was a known transmission site.

    In The Closing of the Muslim Mind, Robert Reilly notes: “Since the effort of science is to discover nature’s laws, the teaching that these laws do not, in fact, exist (for theological reasons) obviously discourages the scientific enterprise.” Thus, says Reilly, “No major invention or discovery has emerged from the Muslim world for well over seven centuries now.” He notes that “India and Spain each produce a larger percentage of the world’s science literature than forty-six Muslim countries combined.” Although there are many Muslim doctors and scientists, the habit of scientific inquiry is not encouraged by many schools of Islamic theology. Consequently, no one is expecting the cure for the coronavirus to come out of a Muslim country.

    Hugh Fitzgerald, who has written extensively about Muslim culture, suggests that the United States and Israel are the two countries most likely to create the first coronavirus vaccine. Writing in the New English Review, he observes that “among the 40 or so research groups now working in a half-dozen countries on a coronavirus vaccine, none were to be found in any of the 57 Muslim countries that are members of the O.I.C. (Organization of the Islamic Conference.)

    “Islam means ‘submission’,” writes Fitzgerald, “and the habit of mental submission to that authority—that is, to the Quran itself, and to the Hadith—has always been encouraged in Islam.” Meanwhile, he argues that Islam discourages the “free and skeptical inquiry” which “furthers the enterprise of science.”



    Catholics who like to talk up the similarities between Islam and Catholicism ought to look more closely at the Islamic response to the coronavirus pandemic.

    Although Catholics, like Muslims, may see the contagion as a sign from God that people need to return to Him, they also understand that the virus is a natural phenomenon which follows the laws of biology and chemistry, and is thus subject to scientific study and scientific treatment. Like Muslims, they will be praying more; unlike many Muslims, they will also be taking reasonable precautions and supporting the search for a vaccine.

    According to Catholic tradition, God has established a rational universe that operates according to the laws of nature. Catholic scholars do not see any contradiction between science and faith but have always sought to reconcile faith and reason. Early Muslim scholars were aware of the natural law tradition in Christianity but most eventually abandoned attempts to reconcile faith and reason. To require God to act in a rational way, they believed, was an attack on His sovereignty.

    The coronavirus has evoked a range of responses from Muslim fundamentalists. Some take the fatalistic attitude. Some say that the virus is a “soldier of Allah” meant to assail non-Muslims. Some have even encouraged infected Muslims to deliberately infect non-Muslims. Others say the virus was created by Jєωs in order to target Muslims, and some believe that Muslims who die in an epidemic are martyrs who merit paradise.

    Almost all of the responses should awaken Catholics to the fact that Islam is a very different sort of religion. Here’s one last example: Asia News reports two cases in Pakistan of Hindus and Christians being denied government food aid during the coronavirus crisis. According to the news story, “without the help of… a Muslim human rights activist, 120 Christian families in the district of Kasur (Punjab) would have starved.” Yet I would argue that the deniers of aid were actually being more faithful to Islamic law than the activist. The Reliance of the Traveler, a widely consulted manual of sharia law, states quite clearly that “it is not permissible to give zakat [alms] to a non-Muslim.”

    A Muslim’s conscience might tell him to be careful about spreading a virus, or it might tell him to share food with a hungry Christian. But, according to the fundamentalists who dominate Islamic countries, the good Muslim is not supposed to consult his conscience. He is supposed to consult the book—either the Koran or a manual of sharia law—and follow the commands of Allah, no matter how arbitrary they may appear.

    And he is not responsible for the consequences of his actions. Islam means “submission,” and the foremost duty of a Muslim is to obey. Indeed, the most frequently repeated phrase in the Koran is “obey God and his Apostle,” Muhammad. Fortunately, like the Pakistani activist who intervened on behalf of the Christians, some Muslims ignore the harsher mandates of their faith.


    Credit: https://www.crisismagazine.com/2020/why-muslim-nations-cant-handle-the-coronavirus
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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #1 on: May 02, 2020, 07:50:44 PM »
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  • Is there actually a problem in the Muslim world with the Chinese virus?  I don't know.  The "official" statistics seem to indicate that the deaths per million of population of Muslim nations is lower than in Western nations (where it seems that many deaths are being falsely attributed to the virus).

    The disease may be spreading exponentially in the Muslim world, but it doesn't appear that it's much of a problem.  Of course, it doesn't look like this particular virus is really much of a problem in the United States either.  More and more, the evidence seems to be that it's less leathal than the seasonal flu.


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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2020, 08:18:04 PM »
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  • Is there actually a problem in the Muslim world with the Chinese virus?  I don't know.  The "official" statistics seem to indicate that the deaths per million of population of Muslim nations is lower than in Western nations (where it seems that many deaths are being falsely attributed to the virus).

    The disease may be spreading exponentially in the Muslim world, but it doesn't appear that it's much of a problem.  Of course, it doesn't look like this particular virus is really much of a problem in the United States either.  More and more, the evidence seems to be that it's less leathal than the seasonal flu.
    The reason for that is there is no testing being done in Muslim countries in the first place. They are woefully unequipped to deal with any kind of medical situation, let alone a pandemic. So of course official stats will show a much lower rate of infection. Heck, if we are to trust communist China or North Korea then they have lower rates of infection which I think is highly unlikely.
    I come from the Levant and I lived there for six years. Let me tell you, medical practice there is disgraceful, if not criminal.
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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #3 on: May 02, 2020, 08:35:29 PM »
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  • What nation in the Levant do you hail from?

    Beware of Crisis Magazine. It an agency (for want of a better word) of Opus Dei.
    In its about page it says: Our civilization is under attack from the far-left within and radical Islam without.
    While this statement is true it is what they don't say which is telling. No mention of any attack on out civilization from the "enemy of all mankind". They get a free ride from Crisis.

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #4 on: May 02, 2020, 08:44:56 PM »
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  • What nation in the Levant do you hail from?

    Beware of Crisis Magazine. It an agency (for want of a better word) of Opus Dei.
    In its about page it says: Our civilization is under attack from the far-left within and radical Islam without.
    While this statement is true it is what they don't say which is telling. No mention of any attack on out civilization from the "enemy of all mankind". They get a free ride from Crisis.
    I am from Lebanon.

    What can you tell me about Opus Dei? I have tried researching much about this institution, but I have not really been able to locate much credible information about them. It seems like a highly secretive cult of some sort. The reason I ask (other than the fact that you linked Crisis Magazine to them) is that I have  heard from many people that supposedly some Traditional figures are tied to them in one way or another. There are two gentlemen on Twitter; one by the name of "Callmejorge" and the other "MauricePinay" who link people like Taylor Marshall to Opus Dei and other "traditional" figures as well. So any info you have would be greatly appreciated.
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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #5 on: May 02, 2020, 09:43:05 PM »
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  • The reason for that is there is no testing being done in Muslim countries in the first place. 
    I am looking at the deaths, not the number of infected.  The number of infected is probably very large, just as in most Western countries.  Deaths, on the other hand, don't need to be tested.  Are people dropping like flies in Muslim countries?  The only think I know is that the overall death rate in the U.S. is not that much higher now that it was prior to the "planned-demic"; they're just classifying deaths as COVID-1984 deaths.

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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #6 on: May 02, 2020, 09:47:43 PM »
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  •  Lebanon! 
    By the way, a belated welcome, to CathInfo that is.

    There has been quite a bit of reliable information on Opus Dei posted here. Just put Opus Dei in the search engine. Here is one post which looks full of good material.
     https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/opus-dei-prelature-is-freemasonic-and-they-control-the-church/msg641796/#msg641796

    My favourite for this topic is Randy Engel. She is a very experienced and reliable investigator. So I recommend anything she has written.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #7 on: May 02, 2020, 10:16:32 PM »
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  • Lebanon!
    By the way, a belated welcome, to CathInfo that is.

    There has been quite a bit of reliable information on Opus Dei posted here. Just put Opus Dei in the search engine. Here is one post which looks full of good material.
     https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/opus-dei-prelature-is-freemasonic-and-they-control-the-church/msg641796/#msg641796

    My favourite for this topic is Randy Engel. She is a very experienced and reliable investigator. So I recommend anything she has written.
    Thank you!
    I will definitely check out the threads and Randy Engel. I appreciate it.
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    Re: Why Saracen Nations Can't Handle Coronavirus
    « Reply #8 on: May 03, 2020, 01:28:34 AM »
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  • Just in by email:
    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/engel/200502

    The Tactics of Opus Dei
    Testimony of Eileen Johnson – Ex-Numerary


    A contribution to the “Encuentro Nacional sobre Sectas” (National Cult conference, Spain)
    Bilbao March 6, 2020.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
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