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Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2021, 07:39:32 AM »
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  • Because they probably aren't really "trad".
    It's hard for me to imagine any "trad" woman being into Bp. Barron.  I don't know any who are. 


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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #16 on: June 15, 2021, 07:43:26 AM »
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  • From what I have seen and read....

    Because he doesn't wish to be.
    I am honestly curious what caused the downvote for this post.  It was meant to be positive towards Bishop Williamson.  
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    I'm curious too.  Your post actually made me chuckle. 
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    I might word it a bit differently, though.  "Because he isn't trying to be."  Or, because it isn't a high priority for him.  
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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #17 on: June 15, 2021, 10:46:05 AM »
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  • I am honestly curious what caused the downvote for this post.   
    Who cares about downvotes, they can give you 2000 downvotes and you'd still have a higher rating that the person who gave you the down vote. Anyhow, before you posted your complaint I had given you an upvote just to bug the idiot who gave you the downvote. Now he'll put one on me. LOL
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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #18 on: June 15, 2021, 10:48:45 AM »
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  • Marshall Roberts Taylor Marshal ? Never heard of him till he was mentioned here. Someone posted a video by him and I looked at it for 1 minute, the guy is just another EWTN type evangelist personality. To some people, EWTN type evangelists are good as a stepping stone to real Catholicism, really living the faith, to others they keep them from progressing further. Kind of like Protestantism and all false religions, they can lead someone to the truth and keep others from it. The devil prefers that one do the rosary rather than go to mass and receive the sacraments, if that is what will keep them from progressing.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #19 on: June 15, 2021, 10:59:34 AM »
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  • Marshall Roberts? Never heard of him till he was mentioned here.
    How did we get to Fr. Marshall Roberts?  I noticed someone using initials MT, which I assumed was accidentally inverted initials for Taylor Marshall, but now I hear MR.  Confusing...    :confused:


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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #20 on: June 15, 2021, 11:03:40 AM »
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  • How did we get to Fr. Marshall Roberts?  I noticed someone using initials MT, which I assumed was accidentally inverted initials for Taylor Marshall, but now I hear MR.  Confusing...    :confused:
    LOL, that's how much I listen to Taylor Marshall, I wrote Marshall Roberts. Thanks for the correction, there was enough time for me to correct it
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #21 on: June 15, 2021, 11:04:16 AM »
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  • LOL, that's how much I listen to Taylor Marshall, I wrote Marshall Roberts. Thanks for the correction, there was enough time for me to correct it
    :laugh1:   You're welcome!

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #22 on: June 15, 2021, 11:17:55 AM »
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  • Who cares about downvotes, they can give you 2000 downvotes and you'd still have a higher rating that the person who gave you the down vote. Anyhow, before you posted your complaint I had given you an upvote just to bug the idiot who gave you the downvote. Now he'll put one on me. LOL
    It wasn't a complaint though.  I don't typically point out down votes.  This one honestly confused me.  I could see if I was writing against Bishop Williamson, but I wasn't.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #23 on: June 15, 2021, 11:19:17 AM »
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  • Why isn't Williamson popular?
    Because Williamson has a character flaw that he struggles with, one that can be easily spotted if you've followed his life in religion from the beginning.
    He likes to shock people.


    I think there's some truth in what you've written. The English are class-conscious. I hope, however, that Bp. Williamson's tendency to want to shock has softened a bit in the last few years (since he left the SSPX). At least it seems so to me.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #24 on: June 15, 2021, 11:38:36 AM »
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  • Williamson is about as upper middle class as you can be.  Grew up in a wealthy family in southern England.  He studied at Winchester Public School (fees currently $35,000 per year) and Cambridge University.

    Unless he married someone from the British upper classes (titled) there is simply no way to be superior in terms of the English class system.

    He has the same quality of education and comes from the same social class as a British Cabinet minister or very senior civil servant.

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #25 on: June 15, 2021, 11:50:57 AM »
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  • Even as a sede, I am uncomfortable with the direction this thread is going: it's getting personal.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #26 on: June 15, 2021, 12:14:48 PM »
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  • $35,000 fees today?  pffft.

    I went to a Jesuit High School where the fees are now $15,000 per year.  When I went there 30 years ago, they were $1,800.  My dad who was somewhere between lower- and mid- middle class could afford to send his 4 sons there, with 2 often being there at the same time.  And bishop Williamson has about 20 years on me.  I wouldn't be surprised if the fees back in his day were around $1500.  Sometimes we don't realize how bad inflation has been.

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #27 on: June 15, 2021, 12:56:48 PM »
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  • I think the rise in the costs tuition, health care, real estate and several other things is a result of socialistic interference in the market from the government, rather than inflation. Any time the government gets involved in anything that should be provided by the private sector, it becomes harder to get, costs go up, and the supply goes down.
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    With tuition, the government providing vast amounts of student loans to people to go to college has created vast, fake demand for college that has driven the costs way up. Health care should be obvious how the government has interfered with that and how much the cost of that has gone up. With real estate, the government has kept interest rates artificially low, making it easier for people to buy houses who can't afford them, as well as made laws requiring banks to lend money to people who aren't creditworthy (hint: to avoid being "racist"), which increases the demand for housing and thus raises the price. Oh, and government regulation makes it harder and harder every year to build more housing too, along with increasing taxes and permit fees on building anything, rent control to take away investors' motive to build more housing, so the supply of housing is also being reduced, further exacerbating the problem.
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    None of those things have to do with inflation, but with the shortages that socialism always brings.

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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #28 on: June 15, 2021, 01:19:31 PM »
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  • Yeti, you are sounding like a libertarian. I am glad for TM. I think he wakes conservative NOs up and even though he is not the proper destination many of them learn more and eventually become more traditional. He is like Ron Paul. A good starting point.
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    Re: Why isn't Bp Williamson super popular like Taylor Marshall?
    « Reply #29 on: June 15, 2021, 01:32:14 PM »
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  • Yeti, you are sounding like a libertarian. I am glad for TM. I think he wakes conservative NOs up and even though he is not the proper destination many of them learn more and eventually become more traditional. He is like Ron Paul. A good starting point.
    I have met a few Catholics who converted from NOM to TLM as a result of watching TM videos. Yet, they are still in that mindset of "I have to be loyal to the person who told me about Tradition" no matter what including that Reform Reformed and tradcuмenism gargbage. In other words, the swallowed a bait with a tiny modernist hook which will control them for the long long time.