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Offline Tiberius

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Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2018, 10:11:08 PM »
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  • Here is another ranch in hollywood, with UCLA using their compost in their community and medicinal gardens.  Isn't ucla known for being the top dog in medicine science/research?   I think they probably sell their produce for a lot of money.  I didn't see any cows in this picture, but I think you have to have them and do the cow poop cow horn ritural for the compost to be "kosher" or "demeter".  


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    « Reply #16 on: January 09, 2018, 10:13:08 PM »
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  • I have been learning about organic gardening, and from some successful market gardeners, I have heard the word biodynamic from time to time.  I have also heard the name rudolf steiner.  Now I know what it all means.  And, I am not pleased.  They call it biodynamic gardening, and it was invented by occultist rudolf steiner in the 1920s.  And, farmers may practice/incorporate it to varying degrees.  But, in full blooded form, it is none other than the occult - "pseudoscience because of its over reliance upon esoteric knowledge and mystical beliefs".  Here is a quick video showing a couple of its rituals which shouldn't difficult to spot(witch cauldron vortex ritual for an hour, cow poop stuffed in cow horns buried and resurrected).  And, there is much much more.  "Demeter" the greek god of agriculture is the governmental body that sets their standards.  I don't think the video below talks about how they have to plant all of their variety of plants based off of the movements of the moon and compost ingredients in consort with other planets in order to facilitate "lifeforce".  



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_agriculture

    Biodynamic agriculture is a form of alternative agriculture very similar to organic farming, but it includes various esoteric concepts drawn from the ideas of Rudolf Steiner (1861–1925).[1][2] Initially developed in 1924, it was the first of the organic agriculture movements.[3] It treats soil fertility, plant growth, and livestock care as ecologically interrelated tasks,[4][5][6] emphasizing spiritual and mystical perspectives.
    It's amazing how the void from Catholicism gets filled so quickly with Paganism.  


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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 10:14:59 PM »
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  • A perfect example of the error of biodynamics is in its very name.  Biology is the study of life and living organisms, and dynamic implies that the nature of life and living organisms is not fixed.  Which, is not true.  Meaning, that living organisms or nature, do not have exactly that, a "nature".  It implies a contradiction, that nature is something that instead does itself nurture.  But, that(nurture we will say) from what I understand is a characteristic relegated to the "angels".  And, catholics profess belief in angels.  So, in its very name and definition itself, it is implying the opposite of what catholics believe as true.  Nature is fixed.  A proper name for traditional true gardening might be bio"stati(c)"stics.  Because, biology in this sense is static.  Nature is static.  Nature is nature.  It does not change.  It is in natures nature not to change.  It is in the nature of an angel to be able to change.  That is why angels can be fallen.  And, man is unique and is placed in between that spectrum with a nature and a spirit.  We have a nature, but we can also nurture.  Biodynamics is the opposite of what is true revealed in its name itself.  It is utilizing nominative determinism.  Its name determines its outcome and vice versa.

    "In Steiner's esoteric cosmology, the spiritual development of humanity is interwoven in and inseparable from the cosmological development of the universe. Continuing the evolution that led to humanity being born out of the natural world, the Christ being brings an impulse enabling human consciousness of the forces that act creatively, but unconsciously, in nature."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner

    So, in Steiner's world we are all still "evolving" and so are carrots!   :laugh1:

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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #18 on: January 10, 2018, 03:00:36 PM »
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  • Nadir - The reason I said planting by the moon is only doubtful is because I had not yet researched it.  But, I rest assured it is a load of superstitious bull crap(planted in cow horns buried to be deified).  Just because it is in the farmers almanac doesn't give it credibility.  Zodiac planting is also in there.  A root vegetable is not going to grow better because when it was planted the earth was winning in the gravity pull between it and the moon suggesting downward growth(root) will be favored.  A root vegetable will amount to nothing without its upward growth and green leaves.  Moon gardening is superstition, and superstition is a sin.  

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    « Reply #19 on: January 10, 2018, 03:16:25 PM »
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  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_astrology

    This bit is interesting.  This was my only thought about possible influence of the moon.  And, that would be gravitational pull resulting in soil moisture rising to surface level if applicable.  Still, my opinion was that the results would be minor if an at all.  And, none of it would guarantee better plant growth.  

    But, wikipedia says this:

    "The moon gardeners claim that the gravitational force of the full moon affects the level of groundwater in the soil, just as it does the level of the oceans. With more water being drawn up into the soil during a full moon, any newly sown seeds are boosted by the increased hydration.[7] The phases of the moon do not correspond to the distance of the moon's orbit around the Earth, and hence are not indicators of the strength of the moon's gravitational pull. Instead, apogee and perigee of the moon's orbit are what determines the moon's distance to the Earth."



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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #20 on: January 10, 2018, 05:03:32 PM »
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  • Catholics will never get a foothold on independence unless we crowd out wrong agricultural thinking and behavior.  Fr. Fahey didn't write a book about traditional agriculture because he likes the rain dance and sacred groves.  Do you hear that women?

    This video is neat in that it explains some practical differences between organic and biodynamic.  This guys farm has an interesting story.  He spiritualized the soil for years, and God rewards him with having tyson chickens open a chicken factory 500 feet up the hill from where his sacred soil is.  So, now when ever it rains, chicken poop is going to seep down the hill into his garden.  It just shows who is in charge.  This guy has had to move his farm to different land because of it, after having built up the soil for years and years with spiritual "lifeforce".  


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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #21 on: January 11, 2018, 10:10:38 AM »
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  • The first time I'd ever heard of bio-dynamic farming was when I took an enology class at a community college about 8 years ago. I was quite taken aback by the use of pagan practices in the wine grape growing industry. I spoke out against it in class, and on the final paper that we had to write. The instructor took quite a dislike toward me after that, in the next class that I took from him, so I dropped it. I realized that the wine industry is very snooty anyway, and no place for a traditional Catholic woman to be in.

    It's not surprising that as our society leaves God aside, that they go back to pagan practices. Though it's partly about finding a new way to make money, too, if they can be cool and trendy with the ridiculous bio-dynamic farming. 
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #22 on: January 11, 2018, 05:37:33 PM »
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  • The first time I'd ever heard of bio-dynamic farming was when I took an enology class at a community college about 8 years ago. I was quite taken aback by the use of pagan practices in the wine grape growing industry. I spoke out against it in class, and on the final paper that we had to write. The instructor took quite a dislike toward me after that, in the next class that I took from him, so I dropped it. I realized that the wine industry is very snooty anyway, and no place for a traditional Catholic woman to be in.

    It's not surprising that as our society leaves God aside, that they go back to pagan practices. Though it's partly about finding a new way to make money, too, if they can be cool and trendy with the ridiculous bio-dynamic farming.
    Yeah, something has to fill the void!


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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #23 on: January 19, 2018, 10:47:54 AM »
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  • Nadir - The reason I said planting by the moon is only doubtful is because I had not yet researched it.  But, I rest assured it is a load of superstitious bull crap(planted in cow horns buried to be deified).  Just because it is in the farmers almanac doesn't give it credibility.  Zodiac planting is also in there.  A root vegetable is not going to grow better because when it was planted the earth was winning in the gravity pull between it and the moon suggesting downward growth(root) will be favored.  A root vegetable will amount to nothing without its upward growth and green leaves.  Moon gardening is superstition, and superstition is a sin.  




    You raise some interesting points, like the very meaning of the word "Biodynamics", but I disagree with you on doubting the efficaciousness of planting by the moon phase. My family on both sides have been farmers and ranchers probably for eons, or at least hundreds of years. My Grandpa grew some amazing crops, loads of different vegetables on one lot in the city. He planted a lot of things by moon phase and certain things on certain days. Combined with a certain techniques that I presume were passed down to him, he always had the best potatoes, corn and other such eadibles.
       I myself am not much of a gardener, but I have seen the difference of seeds planted a day before the beneficial time, and on the day of. There is a difference in the rapidity of growth. The same applies to my brother, who is more avid in this area then I probably will ever be...
      Also, the moon has affects on people too, especially in my family. Some folks are more sensitive to the moon then others. Let's take a near full moon, for example: During the days nearing and of a full moon, various people experience increased sɛҳuąƖ urges/interest -or whatever the proper way to put it is- and some have a feeling of overall wellbeing in the area of personal health. I myself am among these people.
    As for this "ritual composting" stuff, yea, maybe it is occultic in some of it's origins, but there are ways to do the same thing with similar results. Here in Texas there is a very succeful ranch which focuses on cattle efficency on pasture, and the way they fertilize the ground is by filling big barrels with manuer, water, molasses and maybe a couple of other things. They mix it up and let it "brew" for 2 months or so before spraying it on the pastures. The idea is to culure a lot of healthy microbes.

      Personally, unless one really is doing it in a religious sort of way, I cant see much wrong with burying compacted manure and plant ingredients; Though wrapping them in animal gut in certainly foreign to me and likely all the other old farmers in this area. But, I think unless the intent of occultism is there, then mimickig certain practices are not harmful or problematic. People have been grinding up rocks and bones and burying their concoctions for ages and ages without any occultic intent. They just see that it works... Even the Native American Indians (of whom I descend to a degree) used certain practices, most famously using fish as fertilizer for corn.

    Another example of this sort of practice can be found in the book "The Book of Incense" by Morita. The Japanese have a very special type of incense where various materials are ground up, pressed into pellets, coated with honey, stored in a clay jar, buried in tge ground and left to age for 3 years. It's not agriculture or have anything to do with manure, but the concept of aging theproduct for certain effects is the same.

    That's all I can think of at the moment, hope others can chime in with more knowledgeable things then my inexperience can.
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    Re: Occult Gardening? more common than you might think.
    « Reply #24 on: January 19, 2018, 10:52:57 AM »
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  • The first time I'd ever heard of bio-dynamic farming was when I took an enology class at a community college about 8 years ago. I was quite taken aback by the use of pagan practices in the wine grape growing industry. I spoke out against it in class, and on the final paper that we had to write. The instructor took quite a dislike toward me after that, in the next class that I took from him, so I dropped it. I realized that the wine industry is very snooty anyway, and no place for a traditional Catholic woman to be in.

    It's not surprising that as our society leaves God aside, that they go back to pagan practices. Though it's partly about finding a new way to make money, too, if they can be cool and trendy with the ridiculous bio-dynamic farming.


    Meg,
      I am very interested, could you elaborate on what some of these practices are in the wine industry?
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll