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Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => Topic started by: Maria Regina on October 11, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
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" If one asks information about Islam to Muslims, they will give you a few innocent books to show how beautiful Islam is. These books are mostly misleading and even texts written by the "Centre for Islam in Europe", linked to the University of Gent (Belgium) are a twist of "real Islam" and a denial of the teachings of the four main Schools of Islam. The pattern of their thinking is that the good verses of the Quran are generally applicable and the passages that call for violence are contextual and only meant for a specific situation. The Quran however does not make this distinction. These books justify the negative side of Islam by very “creative” reasoning, by concealing things, by wrong translations from Arabic and by outright lies."
http://islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Catholic-Convert-Leaves-Islam.htm
My "Catholic" friend repeatedly praises and glorifies Islam to the point of using popular Islamic phrases, denying that Christians have been martyred, denying the Armenian genocide, and also denying that Catholic nuns, priests, and laity have been brutally raped and martyred by Muslims.
Quoting from Catholic sources which condemn Islam does not help as the excuse is given that those Catholic sources are sadly misinformed and do not understand Islam at all. In addition, several trips to the Middle East and meeting with Imans have caused more radicalization.
Please pray as Our Lady is the only one who can work a miracle here as the Quran honors the Blessed Virgin Mary according to this person. Devotion to our Lady is the only saving grace here.This person is very superstitious, led around by signs, and thinks that praying the three Hail Marys a day will provide eternal salvation.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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1. Commitment?
2. Exorcist?
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What about the Jєωs? They're guilty of the same deceitful crime...
Guess I should add that it's the "Zionist Jєωs" that are guilty of this... not so much the "Orthodox Jєωs."
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What about the Jєωs? They're guilty of the same deceitful crime...
Attacking Jєωs is part of the delusion and illusion of Islam.
I guess this is part of the attraction of Islam.
"An enemy of my enemy is my friend"
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Uh... :-X
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How can I "bow out" of this gracefully?
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How can I "bow out" of this gracefully?
You can ignore the Elephant in the Room, that thousands of Catholics have converted to radical Islam, but in so doing, souls will be lost.
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What about the Jєωs? They're guilty of the same deceitful crime...
Guess I should add that it's the "Zionist Jєωs" that are guilty of this... not so much the "Orthodox Jєωs."
Exactly, there is evidence that ISIS is funded and being trained by Israeli Intelligence, by British Intelligence, by the Turks, the Saudis, and by our own CIA.
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Here is another source, somewhat outdated, but still very relevant: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1353918/Catholics-turn-to-Islam-as-faith-conversions-rise.html
" A high proportion of the 1,500 to 2,500 converts to Islam every year are Catholics. According to Sarah Jacobs, a former Catholic who is now a Muslim, the leap between the two faiths is not as great as it seems. She was confirmed in the Catholic Church, the faith of her mother, at 13. When one of her brothers married a Muslim she was horrified, but three years ago she followed him, to the dismay of the rest of her family. She said: "What appealed to me was the incredible simplicity and clarity of Islam."
" Dr Ahmed Andrews, a lecturer in the sociology of religion at Derby University and another convert from Catholicism to Islam said: "There are between 5,000 and 10,000 white Muslim converts in this country, and most of the ones I know are former Catholics." Rabbi Romain maintains that Islam is not the only beneficiary: of the 300 to 400 coverts to Judaism every year, about a fifth are Catholics."
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Yet, this friend of mine is highly educated and was trained in journalism. I think the journalistic training is a problem. Look at news today: it is more propaganda than real news.
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Unitarianism doesn't work, in case you've not tried that approach.
Likely a waste though; you're better off getting at the "why". It's clearly not rational. As has been said before of heresy, but it is likewise applicable, it "... starts below the waist."
People usually try to weave all this complexity as a smokescreen, to hide some simple, base, animal motive.
Simplistically speaking, their new "revelation" lets them do something that they want, or escape something that they don't.
I "lost" a pseudo-ex just for this cause, near as I can tell.
Bad will, no way; at least not humanly speaking.
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Unitarianism doesn't work, in case you've not tried that approach.
Likely a waste though; you're better off getting at the "why". It's clearly not rational. As has been said before of heresy, but it is likewise applicable, it "... starts below the waist."
People usually try to weave all this complexity as a smokescreen, to hide some simple, base, animal motive.
Simplistically speaking, their new "revelation" lets them do something that they want, or escape something that they don't.
I "lost" a pseudo-ex just for this cause, near as I can tell.
Bad will, no way; at least not humanly speaking.
Lord have mercy.
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A Muslim’s Remarkable Conversion to Catholicism
February 14, 2012 | Luiz Sérgio Solimeo
(http://www.tfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Joseph-Fadelle.jpg) (http://www.tfp.org/opportune-clarifications-on-islam/) " The fascinating autobiography of Muhammad Moussaoui, who narrates his conversion from Islam to Catholicism, shows miracles of grace and of human correspondence, on the one hand, and on the other hand the terrible harshness of Islamic mentality and persecution of Christians. The book’s title, The Price to Pay, summarizes well what this privileged soul had to go through in order to be faithful to the call of grace. After his conversion, he took the name Joseph Fadelle.1 (http://www.tfp.org/a-muslims-remarkable-conversion-to-catholicism/#easy-footnote-bottom-1)
(http://www.tfp.org/a-muslims-remarkable-conversion-to-catholicism/#easy-footnote-bottom-1)
A Muslim from an Important Family
Fadelle belonged to one of Iraq’s most important Shiite Muslim families, the Moussaoui clan. As head of the clan, his father was a kind of judge and solved disputes between clan members. He also had great wealth and prestige.
In 1987 Fadelle was drafted into the Iraqi army, then under the rule of Saddam Hussein, right in the middle of the war with neighboring Iran. By this time he was 23 years old and single.
Sent to a garrison on the border with Iran, he was housed in a room with a Christian. He became indignant on learning he was going to be lodging with a Christian, an insult to a born Muslim whose family also descended from the Islam’s founder Muhammad. "
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Click this link for the full story: http://www.tfp.org/a-muslims-remarkable-conversion-to-catholicism/
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Now this book, The Price to Pay, may interest my friend who likes to read books in French.
Joseph Fadelle, Le Prix à Payer, (Paris: L’oeuvre Editions, 2010). Unfortunately the book has not been translated into English.
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Please excuse me, I know I somewhat "bowed out" of this conversation...
I was recollecting a book by Hillaire Belloc, The Great Heresies, after I exited. So, I did some searching online for some exerpts and found this... you might find it useful to understand the current deliema that you might be finding yourself in.
HILAIRE BELLOC: A DISINTEGRATED CHRISTIANITY WILL LEAD TO THE RISE OF ISLAM
29/07/07 16:05 Filed in: Creation of Eurabia and Muslim Invasion (http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/category-creation-of-eurabia-and-muslim-invasion.html)
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Writing in the early 20th century, Hilaire Belloc saw no reason why Islam would not rise in the future to once again menace civilization and the Church. Those post moderns in the West who call themselves civilized have by their apostasy embraced every manner of immorality and debauchery. This rejection of absolute truth and elevation of relativism to the status of religion has brought about a diabolical laissez-faire attitude toward the spread of Islam and in turn creates a breeding ground for it.
From Survivals and New Arrivals by Hilaire Belloc: "There remains... another indirect supporter of Neo-Paganism: a supporter which indeed hates all Paganism but hates the Catholic Church much more...I mean Mohammedan religion: Islam."
"Islam presents a totally different problem from that attached to any other religious body opposed to Catholicism. To understand it we must appreciate its origins, character and recent fate. Only then can we further appreciate its possible or probable future relations with enemies of the Catholic effort throughout the world."
How did Islam arise?
"It was not as our popular historical textbooks would have it, a "new religion." It was a direct derivative from the Catholic Church. It was essentially, in its origin, a heresy: like Arianism or Albigensians."
"When the man who produced it (and it is more the creation of one man than any other false religion we know) was young, the whole of the world which he knew...was Catholic. It was still, though in the process of transformation, the Christian Roman Empire, stretching from the English Channel to the borders of his own desert."
"Now what Mohamet did was this. He took over the principal doctrines of the Catholic Church--one personal God, Creator of all things; the immortality of the soul; an eternity of misery or blessedness--and no small part of Christian morals as well...But at the same time he attempted an extreme simplification."
"Many another heresiarch has done this, throwing overboard such and such too profound doctrines, and appealing to the less intelligent by getting rid of mysteries through a crude denial of them.
"With the energy of his personality behind that highly simplified, burning enthusiasm, he first inflamed his own few desert folk, and they in turn proceeded to impose their new enthusiasm very rapidly over vast areas of what had been until then a Catholic civilization; and their chief allies in this sweeping revolution were politically the doctrine of equality and spiritually the doctrine of simplicity. Everybody troubled by the mysteries of Catholicism tended to join them; so did every slave or debtor who was oppressed by the complexity of a higher civilization.
"For centuries the struggle between Islam and the Catholic Church continued. It had varying fortunes, but for something like a thousand years the issue remained doubtful. It was not until the year 1700 that Christian culture seemed for a time-- to be definitely the master. "
"During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries the Mohammedan world fell under a kind of palsy...At last by the end of the nineteenth century, more than nine-tenths of the Mohammedan population of the world...had fallen under the government of nominally Christian nations, especially of England and France."
"On this account our generation came to think of Islam as something naturally subject to ourselves. We no longer regarded it as a rival to our own culture, we thought of its religion as a sort of fossilized thing about which we need not trouble."
"That was almost certainly a mistake. We shall almost certainly have to reckon with Islam in the near future. Perhaps if we lose our faith it will rise."
"Remember that our Christian civilization is in peril of complete breakdown. An enemy would say that it is living upon its past; and certainly those who steadfastly hold its ancient Catholic doctrine stand on guard as it were in a state of siege; they are a minority both in power and in numbers. Upon such a state of affairs a steadfast, permanent, convinced, simple philosophy and rule of life, intensely adhered to, and close at hand, may now that the various sections of the world are so much interpenetrating one and the other, be of effect."
"We must remember that the subjection of the Mohammedan -a purely political subjection -was accomplished by nothing more subtle or enduring than a superiority in weapons and mechanical invention. We must further remember that this superiority dates from a very short time ago."
"A little more and there will cease that which our time has taken for granted, the physical domination of Islam by the disintegrated Christendom we know."
Source (http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/fc8ee3da081df00c4c2270347a766d63-155.html)
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Thank you. Any information might help, but a miracle is definitely needed here. Lord have mercy.
This person is a Trad Catholic, so this confuses me all the more.
So, please pray.
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Here's how you fix this problem:
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Tell your friend to go talk to any veteran who has been in-country during the Afghanistan war.
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They will immediately disabuse them of any notion other than that of the Islamic culture being one of sickness, corruption, death, pedophilia, and all-around backwardness.
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Full stop.
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Here's how you fix this problem:
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Tell your friend to go talk to any veteran who has been in-country during the Afghanistan war.
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They will immediately disabuse them of any notion other than that of the Islamic culture being one of sickness, death, pedophilia, and all-around backwardness.
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Full stop.
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I really wish it were that simple.
This person knows that ISIS is being funded and trained by our CIA and the Military-Industrial Complex (our military).
However, having bought the lie of journalistic propaganda, my friend believes that Islam is gentle and not radicalized like ISIS.
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Which is WHY he needs to talk to a veteran who has been in-country and seen the "culture" up close and personal. I'm not talking about the media. He needs to hear a first-hand look at reality.
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Thank you. Any information might help, but a miracle is definitely needed here. Lord have mercy.
This person is a Trad Catholic, so this confuses me all the more.
So, please pray.
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I would suggest explaining to your friend that Moslems believe the earth is "flat." If your friend doesn't appreciate being expected to convert to accepting "flat-earthism," which denies the reality we can see for example in the phases of the moon, then perhaps that alone could cause your friend to think twice.
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Note, I said "Moslems" and you ought to think about that. Traditionally, Catholics who were incessantly attacked by the scourge of Islam referred to them as the Moslem horde. Another commonplace name is Mohammedans.
When you use Moselm and Mohammedan it helps to drive the point home, that they do not want you to remember the past, they want you to forget reality (like flat-earthers do) and just believe what they tell you.
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That should raise some suspicion, if your friend has any common sense left.
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Thank you. Any information might help, but a miracle is definitely needed here. Lord have mercy.
This person is a Trad Catholic, so this confuses me all the more.
So, please pray.
Ok, First of all, let's get our facts straight. Your friend might be a person who likes the "smells and bells" of tradition, but he is not a traditional Catholic. There is a big difference.
Second, the reason people who call themselves Catholic become so enamored of Islamism is because the have lost the faith, if they ever had it. G.K. Chesterton once wrote, "When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing; he believes anything."
I believe most people today who have lost the faith did so because they were never taught the Catholic Faith. While home schooling my children I used to tell them that, statistically, at least some of them would lose the faith and reject Catholicism. That was why discussion of religion and the Crisis in the Church has always been a very important part of our education and why religion was at least a part of every single class. I would tell them that even if some of them rejected the faith when they left home, at their judgment they would be able to offer as a defense that their father did not teach them the Catholic Faith. I am happy to say that the four of my children who are now on their own have, so far, shown no evidence that they are losing the faith nor is the one who is still at home.
The faith taught in the Conciliar sect is equivocal and offers nothing concrete. The faith of Islam is sure and absolute but is built upon lies. Only a solid education in the Catholic Faith can help and few people like the one you describe will be interested in learning anything.
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I would suggest explaining to your friend that Moslems believe the earth is "flat." If your friend doesn't appreciate being expected to convert to accepting "flat-earthism," which denies the reality we can see for example in the phases of the moon, then perhaps that alone could cause your friend to think twice.
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Note, I said "Moslems" and you ought to think about that. Traditionally, Catholics who were incessantly attacked by the scourge of Islam referred to them as the Moslem horde. Another commonplace name is Mohammedans.
When you use Moselm and Mohammedan it helps to drive the point home, that they do not want you to remember the past, they want you to forget reality (like flat-earthers do) and just believe what they tell you.
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That should raise some suspicion, if your friend has any common sense left.
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This person already believes that the earth is "flat," does not believe in evolution, criticizes the Jєωιѕн media, becomes upset if I use the terms "Moslems" and "Mohammedans," is concerned about modesty in women's apparel, and sees Islam as a panacea that will bring modesty back into the world.
Simple fix. :( Simple religion. :barf:
Prayer is our only recourse as I am afraid that "my friend" has huge blinders on and lacks common sense at this point, seeing only simple solutions, and not realizing that such simple answers means a tremendous loss of freedom and a totalitarian rule.
Did Our Lady of Fatima ever condemn Islam or the Mohammedans? That would be important.
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Yes, if you're tempted by Islam, you don't have the Faith.
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When my husband and I were ignorant and in the newchurch, we were friends with a couple who were in the same boat. We would talk religion and the husband would question my husband repeatedly on what he thought about Vatican 2. My husband never knew how to answer him as he had no idea.
Meanwhile our friends were more and more cut off from us, and she increasinly feminist. It was not a happy situation from my observation.
We had our family and they had theirs. They did not change but we did. Unlike us, they were very permissive with their children. In short, the kids were the bosses!
One son, tending towards rebelliousnes, but also looking for a more secure future for himself (i guess) courted a submissive young Indonesian Muslim lady after converting, and married young and had children.
So here is an example of how the disintgration of the Catholic religion is leading to Islam. Children need security with a truly Catholic education. Without it they are lost.
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Have your friend watch Brigitte Gabriel videos on Youtube.
There are many more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0B-KUwpPj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0B-KUwpPj8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s)
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" If one asks information about Islam to Muslims, they will give you a few innocent books to show how beautiful Islam is. These books are mostly misleading and even texts written by the "Centre for Islam in Europe", linked to the University of Gent (Belgium) are a twist of "real Islam" and a denial of the teachings of the four main Schools of Islam. The pattern of their thinking is that the good verses of the Quran are generally applicable and the passages that call for violence are contextual and only meant for a specific situation. The Quran however does not make this distinction. These books justify the negative side of Islam by very “creative” reasoning, by concealing things, by wrong translations from Arabic and by outright lies."
http://islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Catholic-Convert-Leaves-Islam.htm
My "Catholic" friend repeatedly praises and glorifies Islam to the point of using popular Islamic phrases, denying that Christians have been martyred, denying the Armenian genocide, and also denying that Catholic nuns, priests, and laity have been brutally raped and martyred by Muslims.
Quoting from Catholic sources which condemn Islam does not help as the excuse is given that those Catholic sources are sadly misinformed and do not understand Islam at all. In addition, several trips to the Middle East and meeting with Imans have caused more radicalization.
Please pray as Our Lady is the only one who can work a miracle here as the Quran honors the Blessed Virgin Mary according to this person. Devotion to our Lady is the only saving grace here.This person is very superstitious, led around by signs, and thinks that praying the three Hail Marys a day will provide eternal salvation.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
This is ridiculous. If the fighting between Mohamedans and Catholics was fake, including tge persecutions, please explain how Pope Francis returned the Flag of the Ottoman Empire's fleet that was destroyed at the Battle of Leponto? If that fight never happened then such a flag should not exist, and neither would the outrage of Catholics who know some history.
Why did the Patriarch of the Spanish side of my family die in a fight with Moslems, who ambushed him and his troops? He bled to death in a field due to them. My ancestors are dead because of those blood thirsty devils. Can your friend prove my ancestors were not killed by those monsters who were invading Iberia? I don't think so!
I think your friend has lost all common sense. Will pray for the dummy.
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This person already believes that the earth is "flat," does not believe in evolution, criticizes the Jєωιѕн media, becomes upset if I use the terms "Moslems" and "Mohammedans," is concerned about modesty in women's apparel, and sees Islam as a panacea that will bring modesty back into the world.
Simple fix. :( Simple religion. :barf:
Prayer is our only recourse as I am afraid that "my friend" has huge blinders on and lacks common sense at this point, seeing only simple solutions, and not realizing that such simple answers means a tremendous loss of freedom and a totalitarian rule.
Did Our Lady of Fatima ever condemn Islam or the Mohammedans? That would be important.
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It makes sense that a flat-earther like your friend could be drawn to Islamism. They have this rule of having to "face Mecca" every day to pray. Therefore, they say the earth is "flat" so that they can determine which direction they have to face. On a spherical earth, many directions could be toward Mecca from places far away, as many different routes can lead to that place.
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Those "huge blinders" are a serious problem, indicating your friend has already made the decision. Sorry.
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As for Our Lady of Fatima, she taught the 3 children the importance of doing penance. From what I've heard, penance is not really an important part of Islam, so perhaps Moslems listening to her message could receive grace that way to convert to the true Faith. Fatima was the name of Mohammed's favorite daughter, and the Portuguese village of Fatima got its name from a local Moslem girl by that name who converted and married a Catholic man.
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Have your friend watch Brigitte Gabriel videos on Youtube.
There are many more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0B-KUwpPj8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0B-KUwpPj8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s)
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Yes, Brigitte Gabriel is a most compelling speaker. She's a professional lady who grew up Christian under Moslem rule, spending many years of her youth hiding in a sort of cave with other Christians because it was too dangerous to go outside. She explains her past in some of her talks. When she first got free of that terrible life, she emigrated to the United States and started a new life, and only after some time did she realize that she had an important experience to share, and felt obligated to tell her point of view. So now she travels and gives lectures. I hope she seeks very good security because there are plenty of Mohammedans around who would likely want to attack her. Her speeches do no favors for the deceit and false religion of the Mohammedans.
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This person already believes that the earth is "flat," does not believe in evolution, criticizes the Jєωιѕн media, becomes upset if I use the terms "Moslems" and "Mohammedans," is concerned about modesty in women's apparel, and sees Islam as a panacea that will bring modesty back into the world.
Simple fix. :( Simple religion. :barf:
Prayer is our only recourse as I am afraid that "my friend" has huge blinders on and lacks common sense at this point, seeing only simple solutions, and not realizing that such simple answers means a tremendous loss of freedom and a totalitarian rule.
Did Our Lady of Fatima ever condemn Islam or the Mohammedans? That would be important.
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Being concerned about modesty in women's apparel is a great quality. That can't be criticized. And it is something that weighs heavily on western culture today. So it's an important concern. Maybe if he learned how Moslems subjugate and oppress their women he would see how it's not carrying the modesty concept into a good conclusion. In Saudi Arabia a father of a Moslem family can severely punish his wife or daughters even to the point of killing them if they transgress Sharia law. I hope your friend doesn't like that kind of thing.
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Not believing in evolution is also a big plus. So your friend has two important things right. It would be essential for you to encourage him on those things. Traditional Catholics share these traits, so that ought to be an attraction for him.
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Being concerned about modesty in women's apparel is a great quality. That can't be criticized. And it is something that weighs heavily on western culture today. So it's an important concern. Maybe if he learned how Moslems subjugate and oppress their women he would see how it's not carrying the modesty concept into a good conclusion. In Saudi Arabia a father of a Moslem family can severely punish his wife or daughters even to the point of killing them if they transgress Sharia law. I hope your friend doesn't like that kind of thing.
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Not believing in evolution is also a big plus. So your friend has two important things right. It would be essential for you to encourage him on those things. Traditional Catholics share these traits, so that ought to be an attraction for him.
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Even though concern for modesty is great in Islam, it is a mere external, and remember that even our Lord attacked the Pharisees for their external form of dress.
It is the disposition of our hearts that is important, but my "Traditional Catholic" friend seems to be angry ... seething ... all the time, condemning the Catholic Church for not imposing modesty on its members, condemning Francis for his heresies, and on and on.
How can one pray devoutly with such anger ... How can one pray unceasingly while looking for signs and wonders everywhere.
I remember reading fairy tales when in my subteen years -- fairy tales that were written by Muslims. These books were on our public school reading list. I suddenly stopped reading them when it became obvious to me that these tales were not holy, but that the characters described in them were very angry, passionate, and impulsive young men who loved to eat fresh fruit and romance women. One of the things that disturbed me was the constant search for omens and wondrous signs among the Moslems that would lead them on strange journeys.
My friend does the same. While driving, he follows omens being told by them to turn left or right and to look at street signs and license plates for verification. It is almost a form of schizophrenia. Indeed, he has become very superstitious lately, obsessively so, and it seems like Fatima and the apparitions of Our Lady have become an obsession, yet there seems to be no repentance in his life, only anger. Praying the three Hail Marys every day seems to play into his superstitions. My husband has also tried to reach out to him.
Muslims who have converted to Christianity mention the previous hellish life that they had under Islam. How they were always angry, always seeking for signs, but how they felt the absence of God, or worse, the capriciousness of Allah. These Muslims became jealous of Christians because they noticed the peace, love, and joy that Christians possessed even under the more dire persecutions. Thus, while their hatred of Christians increased, they sought what the Christians had. Their conversion to Christ occurred because Christ appeared to them and gave them that peace which they urgently desired.
And now my friend has fallen into this constant anger, this constant search, this dissipative and superstitious life, but he will not find peace until he has rediscovered Christ.
For this I need your prayers.
My friend is not alone in falling into this diabolical religion of Mohammed as thousands of Catholics have also fallen for this diabolical illusion of peace and simplicity, when only Christ is our peace, our hope, and our joy.
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Poorly formed Catholics including clergy are to blame for Catholics not knowing the faith. Ecuмenicism is a problem. They dishonor our blessed Mother when they deny Her Son as true God.
They break the first Commandment. And they deny the Holy Trinity.
Your friend needs to find a traditional Catholic priest and go to confession and seek advice.
Many " Catholics" are accepting or converting to many false religions. They are quick to quote Ghandi instead of St Augustine.
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With God all things are possible.
However, with my friend, everything I present is denied as false as he falls more for the Muslim lies and boldly proclaims the heresy of Islam.
Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy.
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What does his Priest think?
Has your friend talked to his Priest?
Yes, the most anti Catholicism is from within.
"All the evil in the world is because of lukewarm Catholics"
St. Pope Pius V.
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Poorly formed Catholics including clergy are to blame for Catholics not knowing the faith. Ecuмenicism is a problem. They dishonor our blessed Mother when they deny Her Son as true God.
They break the first Commandment. And they deny the Holy Trinity.
Your friend needs to find a traditional Catholic priest and go to confession and seek advice.
Many " Catholics" are accepting or converting to many false religions. They are quick to quote Ghandi instead of St Augustine.
"You can lead a..." ...houri to water, but she'll probably prefer wine in secret.
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What does his Priest think?
Has your friend talked to his Priest?
Yes, the most anti Catholicism is from within.
"All the evil in the world is because of lukewarm Catholics"
St. Pope Pius V.
Yes, indeed, the most anti-Catholicism is from within.
He is now adamantly trying to convert me to Islam. It used to be subtle, but now it is open, vicious, haughty.
It is to the point that my husband and I must break off all communications and leave him in the hands of God.
Lord have mercy.
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What does his Priest think?
Has your friend talked to his Priest?
Could you tell us about his priest?
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It makes sense that a flat-earther like your friend could be drawn to Islamism. They have this rule of having to "face Mecca" every day to pray. Therefore, they say the earth is "flat" so that they can determine which direction they have to face. On a spherical earth, many directions could be toward Mecca from places far away, as many different routes can lead to that place.
Who cares about what direction they face to pray? That is nothing in comparison to their practice of their ideology.
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Do you also find something offensive in the fact that ALL Catholic Churches are required to be built with the altar facing east, the direction Christ will come when He returns?
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Only you could be so stupid as to insert FE into a discussion where it wasn't needed.
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It hurts to lose a friend. Or family. We will pray for you and confused individual.
I just had a very public debate with my friend's husband and he told me that he read the curran. And defended Moslems just like your friend. They same brainwashed defense. Then I look on social media to learn my niece is a happy kind atheist who dabbles in witchcraft. Then during dinner with farmer friends. There was Catholic teens and parents defending gαys and belonged to anti gαy school club. They believe
in contraceptives. And what do they all have in common? They all had same priest. My niece had him and was altar girl. The whole V2 parish votes pro abortion and has pro abortion candidates signs outside their homes. So priest is in Fatima on 13th while parish going to hell.
I pray for you and your husband because it hurts.
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It hurts to lose a friend. Or family. We will pray for you and confused individual.
I just had a very public debate with my friend's husband and he told me that he read the curran. And defended Moslems just like your friend. They same brainwashed defense. Then I look on social media to learn my niece is a happy kind atheist who dabbles in witchcraft. Then during dinner with farmer friends. There was Catholic teens and parents defending gαys and belonged to anti gαy school club. They believe
in contraceptives. And what do they all have in common? They all had same priest. My niece had him and was altar girl. The whole V2 parish votes pro abortion and has pro abortion candidates signs outside their homes. So priest is in Fatima on 13th while parish going to hell.
I pray for you and your husband because it hurts.
Yes, it hurts.
It seems that Moslems are targeting those Catholics who spout anti-Jєω, anti-Hollywood, and anti-Media rhetoric.
If radicalized Moslems are targeting us, then most likely it is Rothschild and Illuminati driven from the top. Think about it. What better way to destroy any resistance than to get within?
Now, I am against the Illuminati, the Rothschilds who created and funded the State of Israel, and the State of Israel, especially for its persecution of Christians in the Holy Land. I also realize that the extremely radicalized ISIS was founded and funded by Israeli Intelligence, British Intelligence, the Saudis, the Turks, the CIA and our Military-Industrial-Complex including Monsanto, Dole, and Dow. Perhaps this is why this crypto-Catholic now turned Muslim has been targeting my husband and me.
So, this is a warning to all Traditional Catholics to be very careful, to pray, and to study their faith, so we will not fall for this trick of the devil.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8IJNvtM3qA
Thought this might help the OP at least.
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Ok, First of all, let's get our facts straight. Your friend might be a person who likes the "smells and bells" of tradition, but he is not a traditional Catholic. There is a big difference.
Second, the reason people who call themselves Catholic become so enamored of Islamism is because the have lost the faith, if they ever had it. G.K. Chesterton once wrote, "When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing; he believes anything." ......
The faith taught in the Conciliar sect is equivocal and offers nothing concrete. The faith of Islam is sure and absolute but is built upon lies.
Yep, they never were real Catholics and a priest or person who teaches real Catholicism is near impossible to find. Those are the reasons they became Mohamedans.
Whether they are fallen away Catholics that become indifferent to religion, athiests, Mohamedans, Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Buddhists, or just believe in being nice, they are all in the same boat going to hell with nothing to change them. I have relatives that fit the "indifferent to religion, athiests, Protestants, Buddhists, or just believe in being nice", and I do not have anywhere to send them that'll change their ways. Do you think the local Novus Ordo church is going to convert any of them to became real Catholics? I doubt there are any real Catholics left in the Novus Ordo. More than likely they will become even more certain they are doing the right thing by staying away from the counterfeit Novus Ordo church that poses as the Catholic Church