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Offline Maria Regina

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  • Here's how you fix this problem:
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    Tell your friend to go talk to any veteran who has been in-country during the Afghanistan war.
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    They will immediately disabuse them of any notion other than that of the Islamic culture being one of sickness, death, pedophilia, and all-around backwardness.
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    Full stop.
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    I really wish it were that simple.
    This person knows that ISIS is being funded and trained by our CIA and the Military-Industrial Complex (our military).
    However, having bought the lie of journalistic propaganda, my friend believes that Islam is gentle and not radicalized like ISIS.
    Lord have mercy.


    Offline Tradplorable

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  • Which is WHY he needs to talk to a veteran who has been in-country and seen the "culture" up close and personal. I'm not talking about the media. He needs to hear a first-hand look at reality.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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  • Thank you. Any information might help, but a miracle is definitely needed here. Lord have mercy.

    This person is a Trad Catholic, so this confuses me all the more.

    So, please pray.
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    I would suggest explaining to your friend that Moslems believe the earth is "flat." If your friend doesn't appreciate being expected to convert to accepting "flat-earthism," which denies the reality we can see for example in the phases of the moon, then perhaps that alone could cause your friend to think twice.
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    Note, I said "Moslems" and you ought to think about that. Traditionally, Catholics who were incessantly attacked by the scourge of Islam referred to them as the Moslem horde. Another commonplace name is Mohammedans.
    When you use Moselm and Mohammedan it helps to drive the point home, that they do not want you to remember the past, they want you to forget reality (like flat-earthers do) and just believe what they tell you.
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    That should raise some suspicion, if your friend has any common sense left.
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  • Thank you. Any information might help, but a miracle is definitely needed here. Lord have mercy.

    This person is a Trad Catholic, so this confuses me all the more.

    So, please pray.
    Ok, First of all, let's get our facts straight.  Your friend might be a person who likes the "smells and bells" of tradition, but he is not a traditional Catholic.  There is a big difference.

    Second, the reason people who call themselves Catholic become so enamored of Islamism is because the have lost the faith, if they ever had it.  G.K. Chesterton once wrote, "When a man stops believing in God, he doesn't believe in nothing; he believes anything."  

    I believe most people today who have lost the faith did so because they were never taught the Catholic Faith.  While home schooling my children I used to tell them that, statistically, at least some of them would lose the faith and reject Catholicism.  That was why discussion of religion and the Crisis in the Church has always been a very important part of our education and why religion was at least a part of every single class.  I would tell them that even if some of them rejected the faith when they left home, at their judgment they would be able to offer as a defense that their father did not teach them the Catholic Faith.  I am happy to say that the four of my children who are now on their own have, so far, shown no evidence that they are losing the faith nor is the one who is still at home.

    The faith taught in the Conciliar sect is equivocal and offers nothing concrete.  The faith of Islam is sure and absolute but is built upon lies.  Only a solid education in the Catholic Faith can help and few people like the one you describe will be interested in learning anything.


    Offline Maria Regina

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    I would suggest explaining to your friend that Moslems believe the earth is "flat." If your friend doesn't appreciate being expected to convert to accepting "flat-earthism," which denies the reality we can see for example in the phases of the moon, then perhaps that alone could cause your friend to think twice.
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    Note, I said "Moslems" and you ought to think about that. Traditionally, Catholics who were incessantly attacked by the scourge of Islam referred to them as the Moslem horde. Another commonplace name is Mohammedans.
    When you use Moselm and Mohammedan it helps to drive the point home, that they do not want you to remember the past, they want you to forget reality (like flat-earthers do) and just believe what they tell you.
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    That should raise some suspicion, if your friend has any common sense left.
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    This person already believes that the earth is "flat," does not believe in evolution, criticizes the Jєωιѕн media, becomes upset if I use the terms "Moslems" and "Mohammedans," is concerned about modesty in women's apparel, and sees Islam as a panacea that will bring modesty back into the world.

    Simple fix.  :(  Simple religion. :barf:

    Prayer is our only recourse as I am afraid that "my friend" has huge blinders on and lacks common sense at this point, seeing only simple solutions, and not realizing that such simple answers means a tremendous loss of freedom and a totalitarian rule.

    Did Our Lady of Fatima ever condemn Islam or the Mohammedans? That would be important.
    Lord have mercy.


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  • Yes, if you're tempted by Islam, you don't have the Faith.
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    When my husband and I were ignorant and in the newchurch, we were friends with a couple who were in the same boat. We would talk religion and the husband would question my husband repeatedly on what he thought about Vatican 2. My husband never knew how to answer him as he had no idea.

    Meanwhile our friends were more and more cut off from us, and she increasinly feminist. It was not a happy situation from my observation.

    We had our family and they had theirs. They did not change but we did. Unlike us, they were very permissive with their children. In short, the kids were the bosses!

    One son, tending towards rebelliousnes, but also looking for a more secure future for himself (i guess) courted a submissive young Indonesian Muslim lady after converting, and married young and had children.

    So here is an example of how the disintgration of the Catholic religion is leading to Islam. Children need security with a truly Catholic education. Without it they are lost.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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  • Have your friend watch Brigitte Gabriel videos on Youtube.

    There are many more.

     


    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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  • " If one asks information about Islam to Muslims, they will give you a few innocent books to show how beautiful Islam is. These books are mostly misleading and even texts written by the "Centre for Islam in Europe", linked to the University of Gent (Belgium) are a twist of "real Islam" and a denial of the teachings of the four main Schools of Islam. The pattern of their thinking is that the good verses of the Quran are generally applicable and the passages that call for violence are contextual and only meant for a specific situation. The Quran however does not make this distinction. These books justify the negative side of Islam by very “creative” reasoning, by concealing things, by wrong translations from Arabic and by outright lies."

    http://islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Catholic-Convert-Leaves-Islam.htm

    My "Catholic" friend repeatedly praises and glorifies Islam to the point of using popular Islamic phrases, denying that Christians have been martyred, denying the Armenian genocide, and also denying that Catholic nuns, priests, and laity have been brutally raped and martyred by Muslims.

    Quoting from Catholic sources which condemn Islam does not help as the excuse is given that those Catholic sources are sadly misinformed and do not understand Islam at all. In addition, several trips to the Middle East and meeting with Imans have caused more radicalization.

    Please pray as Our Lady is the only one who can work a miracle here as the Quran honors the Blessed Virgin Mary according to this person. Devotion to our Lady is the only saving grace here.This person is very superstitious, led around by signs, and thinks that praying the three Hail Marys a day will provide eternal salvation.

    Any suggestions would be appreciated.
    This is ridiculous. If the fighting between Mohamedans and Catholics was fake, including tge persecutions, please explain how Pope Francis returned the Flag of the Ottoman Empire's fleet that was destroyed at the Battle of Leponto? If that fight never happened then such a flag should not exist, and neither would the outrage of Catholics who know some history.

    Why did the Patriarch of the Spanish side of my family die in a fight with Moslems, who ambushed him and his troops? He bled to death in a field due to them. My ancestors are dead because of those blood thirsty devils. Can your friend prove my ancestors were not killed by those monsters who were invading Iberia? I don't think so!

    I think your friend has lost all common sense. Will pray for the dummy.
    Many people say "For the Honor and Glory of God!" but, what they should say is "For the Love, Glory and Honor of God". - Fr. Paul of Moll


    Offline Neil Obstat

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  • This person already believes that the earth is "flat," does not believe in evolution, criticizes the Jєωιѕн media, becomes upset if I use the terms "Moslems" and "Mohammedans," is concerned about modesty in women's apparel, and sees Islam as a panacea that will bring modesty back into the world.

    Simple fix.  :(  Simple religion. :barf:

    Prayer is our only recourse as I am afraid that "my friend" has huge blinders on and lacks common sense at this point, seeing only simple solutions, and not realizing that such simple answers means a tremendous loss of freedom and a totalitarian rule.

    Did Our Lady of Fatima ever condemn Islam or the Mohammedans? That would be important.
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    It makes sense that a flat-earther like your friend could be drawn to Islamism. They have this rule of having to "face Mecca" every day to pray. Therefore, they say the earth is "flat" so that they can determine which direction they have to face. On a spherical earth, many directions could be toward Mecca from places far away, as many different routes can lead to that place.
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    Those "huge blinders" are a serious problem, indicating your friend has already made the decision. Sorry.
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    As for Our Lady of Fatima, she taught the 3 children the importance of doing penance. From what I've heard, penance is not really an important part of Islam, so perhaps Moslems listening to her message could receive grace that way to convert to the true Faith. Fatima was the name of Mohammed's favorite daughter, and the Portuguese village of Fatima got its name from a local Moslem girl by that name who converted and married a Catholic man.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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  • Have your friend watch Brigitte Gabriel videos on Youtube.

    There are many more.

     



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    Yes, Brigitte Gabriel is a most compelling speaker. She's a professional lady who grew up Christian under Moslem rule, spending many years of her youth hiding in a sort of cave with other Christians because it was too dangerous to go outside. She explains her past in some of her talks. When she first got free of that terrible life, she emigrated to the United States and started a new life, and only after some time did she realize that she had an important experience to share, and felt obligated to tell her point of view. So now she travels and gives lectures. I hope she seeks very good security because there are plenty of Mohammedans around who would likely want to attack her. Her speeches do no favors for the deceit and false religion of the Mohammedans.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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  • This person already believes that the earth is "flat," does not believe in evolution, criticizes the Jєωιѕн media, becomes upset if I use the terms "Moslems" and "Mohammedans," is concerned about modesty in women's apparel, and sees Islam as a panacea that will bring modesty back into the world.

    Simple fix.  :(  Simple religion. :barf:

    Prayer is our only recourse as I am afraid that "my friend" has huge blinders on and lacks common sense at this point, seeing only simple solutions, and not realizing that such simple answers means a tremendous loss of freedom and a totalitarian rule.

    Did Our Lady of Fatima ever condemn Islam or the Mohammedans? That would be important.
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    Being concerned about modesty in women's apparel is a great quality. That can't be criticized. And it is something that weighs heavily on western culture today. So it's an important concern. Maybe if he learned how Moslems subjugate and oppress their women he would see how it's not carrying the modesty concept into a good conclusion. In Saudi Arabia a father of a Moslem family can severely punish his wife or daughters even to the point of killing them if they transgress Sharia law. I hope your friend doesn't like that kind of thing.
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    Not believing in evolution is also a big plus. So your friend has two important things right. It would be essential for you to encourage him on those things. Traditional Catholics share these traits, so that ought to be an attraction for him.
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    Offline Maria Regina

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    Being concerned about modesty in women's apparel is a great quality. That can't be criticized. And it is something that weighs heavily on western culture today. So it's an important concern. Maybe if he learned how Moslems subjugate and oppress their women he would see how it's not carrying the modesty concept into a good conclusion. In Saudi Arabia a father of a Moslem family can severely punish his wife or daughters even to the point of killing them if they transgress Sharia law. I hope your friend doesn't like that kind of thing.
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    Not believing in evolution is also a big plus. So your friend has two important things right. It would be essential for you to encourage him on those things. Traditional Catholics share these traits, so that ought to be an attraction for him.
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    Even though concern for modesty is great in Islam, it is a mere external, and remember that even our Lord attacked the Pharisees for their external form of dress.

    It is the disposition of our hearts that is important, but my "Traditional Catholic" friend seems to be angry ... seething ... all the time, condemning the Catholic Church for not imposing modesty on its members, condemning Francis for his heresies, and on and on.

    How can one pray devoutly with such anger ... How can one pray unceasingly while looking for signs and wonders everywhere.

    I remember reading fairy tales when in my subteen years -- fairy tales that were written by Muslims. These books were on our public school reading list. I suddenly stopped reading them when it became obvious to me that these tales were not holy, but that the characters described in them were very angry, passionate, and impulsive young men who loved to eat fresh fruit and romance women. One of the things that disturbed me was the constant search for omens and wondrous signs among the Moslems that would lead them on strange journeys.  

    My friend does the same. While driving, he follows omens being told by them to turn left or right and to look at street signs and license plates for verification. It is almost a form of schizophrenia. Indeed, he has become very superstitious lately, obsessively so, and it seems like Fatima and the apparitions of Our Lady have become an obsession, yet there seems to be no repentance in his life, only anger. Praying the three Hail Marys every day seems to play into his superstitions. My husband has also tried to reach out to him.

    Muslims who have converted to Christianity mention the previous hellish life that they had under Islam. How they were always angry, always seeking for signs, but how they felt the absence of God, or worse, the capriciousness of Allah. These Muslims became jealous of Christians because they noticed the peace, love, and joy that Christians possessed even under the more dire persecutions. Thus, while their hatred of Christians increased, they sought what the Christians had. Their conversion to Christ occurred because Christ appeared to them and gave them that peace which they urgently desired.

    And now my friend has fallen into this constant anger, this constant search, this dissipative and superstitious life, but he will not find peace until he has rediscovered Christ.

    For this I need your prayers.

    My friend is not alone in falling into this diabolical religion of Mohammed as thousands of Catholics have also fallen for this diabolical illusion of peace and simplicity, when only Christ is our peace, our hope, and our joy.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • Poorly formed Catholics including clergy are to blame for Catholics not knowing the faith.  Ecuмenicism is a problem.  They dishonor our blessed Mother when they deny Her Son as true God.  

    They break the first Commandment.  And they deny the Holy Trinity.  

    Your friend needs to find a traditional Catholic priest and go to confession and seek advice.  



    Many " Catholics" are accepting or converting to many false religions. They are quick to quote Ghandi instead of St Augustine.    
    May God bless you and keep you

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  • With God all things are possible.

    However, with my friend, everything I present is denied as false as he falls more for the Muslim lies and boldly proclaims the heresy of Islam.

    Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy. Lord have mercy.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • What does his Priest think?
    Has your friend talked to his Priest?  

    Yes, the most anti Catholicism is from within.  

    "All the evil in the world is because of lukewarm Catholics"
    St. Pope Pius V. 
    May God bless you and keep you