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Offline Maria Regina

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" If one asks information about Islam to Muslims, they will give you a few innocent books to show how beautiful Islam is. These books are mostly misleading and even texts written by the "Centre for Islam in Europe", linked to the University of Gent (Belgium) are a twist of "real Islam" and a denial of the teachings of the four main Schools of Islam. The pattern of their thinking is that the good verses of the Quran are generally applicable and the passages that call for violence are contextual and only meant for a specific situation. The Quran however does not make this distinction. These books justify the negative side of Islam by very “creative” reasoning, by concealing things, by wrong translations from Arabic and by outright lies."

http://islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Catholic-Convert-Leaves-Islam.htm

My "Catholic" friend repeatedly praises and glorifies Islam to the point of using popular Islamic phrases, denying that Christians have been martyred, denying the Armenian genocide, and also denying that Catholic nuns, priests, and laity have been brutally raped and martyred by Muslims.

Quoting from Catholic sources which condemn Islam does not help as the excuse is given that those Catholic sources are sadly misinformed and do not understand Islam at all. In addition, several trips to the Middle East and meeting with Imans have caused more radicalization.

Please pray as Our Lady is the only one who can work a miracle here as the Quran honors the Blessed Virgin Mary according to this person. Devotion to our Lady is the only saving grace here.This person is very superstitious, led around by signs, and thinks that praying the three Hail Marys a day will provide eternal salvation.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Lord have mercy.

Offline DZ PLEASE

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  • 1. Commitment?
    2. Exorcist?
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  • What about the Jews? They're guilty of the same deceitful crime...

    Guess I should add that it's the "Zionist Jews" that are guilty of this... not so much the "Orthodox Jews."

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  • What about the Jews? They're guilty of the same deceitful crime...
    Attacking Jews is part of the delusion and illusion of Islam.

    I guess this is part of the attraction of Islam.

    "An enemy of my enemy is my friend"
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  • Uh... :-X
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  • How can I "bow out" of this gracefully? 

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  • How can I "bow out" of this gracefully?
    You can ignore the Elephant in the Room, that thousands of Catholics have converted to radical Islam, but in so doing, souls will be lost.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • What about the Jews? They're guilty of the same deceitful crime...

    Guess I should add that it's the "Zionist Jews" that are guilty of this... not so much the "Orthodox Jews."
    Exactly, there is evidence that ISIS is funded and being trained by Israeli Intelligence, by British Intelligence, by the Turks, the Saudis, and by our own CIA.
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  • Here is another source, somewhat outdated, but still very relevant: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1353918/Catholics-turn-to-Islam-as-faith-conversions-rise.html

    " A high proportion of the 1,500 to 2,500 converts to Islam every year are Catholics. According to Sarah Jacobs, a former Catholic who is now a Muslim, the leap between the two faiths is not as great as it seems. She was confirmed in the Catholic Church, the faith of her mother, at 13. When one of her brothers married a Muslim she was horrified, but three years ago she followed him, to the dismay of the rest of her family. She said: "What appealed to me was the incredible simplicity and clarity of Islam."

    " Dr Ahmed Andrews, a lecturer in the sociology of religion at Derby University and another convert from Catholicism to Islam said: "There are between 5,000 and 10,000 white Muslim converts in this country, and most of the ones I know are former Catholics." Rabbi Romain maintains that Islam is not the only beneficiary: of the 300 to 400 coverts to Judaism every year, about a fifth are Catholics."

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    Yet, this friend of mine is highly educated and was trained in journalism. I think the journalistic training is a problem. Look at news today: it is more propaganda than real news.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • Unitarianism doesn't work, in case you've not tried that approach. 

    Likely a waste though; you're better off getting at the "why". It's clearly not rational. As has been said before of heresy, but it is likewise applicable, it "... starts below the waist."

    People usually try to weave all this complexity as a smokescreen, to hide some simple, base, animal motive. 

    Simplistically speaking, their new "revelation" lets them do something that they want, or escape something that they don't.

    I "lost" a pseudo-ex just for this cause, near as I can tell. 

    Bad will, no way; at least not humanly speaking.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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  • Unitarianism doesn't work, in case you've not tried that approach.

    Likely a waste though; you're better off getting at the "why". It's clearly not rational. As has been said before of heresy, but it is likewise applicable, it "... starts below the waist."

    People usually try to weave all this complexity as a smokescreen, to hide some simple, base, animal motive.

    Simplistically speaking, their new "revelation" lets them do something that they want, or escape something that they don't.

    I "lost" a pseudo-ex just for this cause, near as I can tell.

    Bad will, no way; at least not humanly speaking.
    Lord have mercy.
    Lord have mercy.


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  • A Muslim’s Remarkable Conversion to Catholicism

    February 14, 2012 | Luiz Sérgio Solimeo

     " The fascinating autobiography of Muhammad Moussaoui, who narrates his conversion from Islam to Catholicism, shows miracles of grace and of human correspondence, on the one hand, and on the other hand the terrible harshness of Islamic mentality and persecution of Christians. The book’s title, The Price to Pay, summarizes well what this privileged soul had to go through in order to be faithful to the call of grace. After his conversion, he took the name Joseph Fadelle.1

    A Muslim from an Important Family
    Fadelle belonged to one of Iraq’s most important Shiite Muslim families, the Moussaoui clan. As head of the clan, his father was a kind of judge and solved disputes between clan members. He also had great wealth and prestige.

    In 1987 Fadelle was drafted into the Iraqi army, then under the rule of Saddam Hussein, right in the middle of the war with neighboring Iran. By this time he was 23 years old and single.

    Sent to a garrison on the border with Iran, he was housed in a room with a Christian. He became indignant on learning he was going to be lodging with a Christian, an insult to a born Muslim whose family also descended from the Islam’s founder Muhammad. "

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    Click this link for the full story: http://www.tfp.org/a-muslims-remarkable-conversion-to-catholicism/

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    Now this book, The Price to Pay, may interest my friend who likes to read books in French.

    Joseph Fadelle, Le Prix à Payer, (Paris: L’oeuvre Editions, 2010). Unfortunately the book has not been translated into English.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • Please excuse me, I know I somewhat "bowed out" of this conversation...

    I was recollecting a book by Hillaire Belloc, The Great Heresies, after I exited.  So, I did some searching online for some exerpts and found this... you might find it useful to understand the current deliema that you might be finding yourself in. 



    HILAIRE BELLOC: A DISINTEGRATED CHRISTIANITY WILL LEAD TO THE RISE OF ISLAM
    29/07/07 16:05 Filed in: Creation of Eurabia and Muslim Invasion

    Writing in the early 20th century, Hilaire Belloc saw no reason why Islam would not rise in the future to once again menace civilization and the Church. Those post moderns in the West who call themselves civilized have by their apostasy embraced every manner of immorality and debauchery. This rejection of absolute truth and elevation of relativism to the status of religion has brought about a diabolical laissez-faire attitude toward the spread of Islam and in turn creates a breeding ground for it.

    From Survivals and New Arrivals by Hilaire Belloc:
     "There remains... another indirect supporter of Neo-Paganism: a supporter which indeed hates all Paganism but hates the Catholic Church much more...I mean Mohammedan religion: Islam."

    "Islam presents a totally different problem from that attached to any other religious body opposed to Catholicism. To understand it we must appreciate its origins, character and recent fate. Only then can we further appreciate its possible or probable future relations with enemies of the Catholic effort throughout the world." 

    How did Islam arise? 

    "It was not as our popular historical textbooks would have it, a "new religion." It was a direct derivative from the Catholic Church. It was essentially, in its origin, a heresy: like Arianism or Albigensians."

    "When the man who produced it (and it is more the creation of one man than any other false religion we know) was young, the whole of the world which he knew...was Catholic. It was still, though in the process of transformation, the Christian Roman Empire, stretching from the English Channel to the borders of his own desert." 

    "Now what Mohamet did was this. He took over the principal doctrines of the Catholic Church--one personal God, Creator of all things; the immortality of the soul; an eternity of misery or blessedness--and no small part of Christian morals as well...But at the same time he attempted an extreme simplification." 

    "Many another heresiarch has done this, throwing overboard such and such too profound doctrines, and appealing to the less intelligent by getting rid of mysteries through a crude denial of them. 

    "With the energy of his personality behind that highly simplified, burning enthusiasm, he first inflamed his own few desert folk, and they in turn proceeded to impose their new enthusiasm very rapidly over vast areas of what had been until then a Catholic civilization; and their chief allies in this sweeping revolution were politically the doctrine of 
    equality and spiritually the doctrine of simplicity. Everybody troubled by the mysteries of Catholicism tended to join them; so did every slave or debtor who was oppressed by the complexity of a higher civilization. 

    "For centuries the struggle between Islam and the Catholic Church continued. It had varying fortunes, but for something like a thousand years the issue remained doubtful. It was not until the year 1700 that Christian culture seemed for a time-- to be definitely the master. "

    "During the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries the Mohammedan world fell under a kind of palsy...At last by the end of the nineteenth century, more than nine-tenths of the Mohammedan population of the world...had fallen under the government of nominally Christian nations, especially of England and France."

    "On this account our generation came to think of Islam as something naturally subject to ourselves. We no longer regarded it as a rival to our own culture, we thought of its religion as a sort of fossilized thing about which we need not trouble." 

    "That was almost certainly a mistake. We shall almost certainly have to reckon with Islam in the near future. Perhaps if we lose our faith it will rise." 

    "Remember that our Christian civilization is in peril of complete breakdown. An enemy would say that it is living upon its past; and certainly those who steadfastly hold its ancient Catholic doctrine stand on guard as it were in a state of siege; they are a minority both in power and in numbers. Upon such a state of affairs a steadfast, permanent, convinced, simple philosophy and rule of life, intensely adhered to, and close at hand, may now that the various sections of the world are so much interpenetrating one and the other, be of effect."

    "We must remember that the subjection of the Mohammedan -a purely political subjection -was accomplished by nothing more subtle or enduring than a superiority in weapons and mechanical invention. We must further remember that this superiority dates from a very short time ago."

    "A little more and there will cease that which our time has taken for granted, the physical domination of Islam by the disintegrated Christendom we know."


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    Offline Maria Regina

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  • Thank you. Any information might help, but a miracle is definitely needed here. Lord have mercy.

    This person is a Trad Catholic, so this confuses me all the more.

    So, please pray.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • Here's how you fix this problem:
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    Tell your friend to go talk to any veteran who has been in-country during the Afghanistan war.
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    They will immediately disabuse them of any notion other than that of the Islamic culture being one of sickness, corruption, death, pedophilia, and all-around backwardness.
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    Full stop.
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