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Offline MiracleOfTheSun

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Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2025, 01:14:02 PM »
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  • Now that's a list that is beginning to make sense.  I bailed from the Remnant when Matt dreamed up his clans idea and I've never understood the Taylor Marshall with over a million subscribers thing.  On the flip-side, I've never heard of Hillary White or a couple of the others so I can check them out.  Thanks

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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #16 on: July 19, 2025, 05:09:05 AM »
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  • I bailed from the Remnant when Matt dreamed up his clans idea ...

    Michael Matt has a very limited notion of "unite the clans". His call for unity starts with those connected to Indult and formerly-known-as Ecclesia Dei communities, extends to the neo-SSPX, and then jumps over to Novus Ordo conservatives.

    Now look at that. Look! Whole portions of traditionalism are entirely absent from Matt's call to unite the clans:  those resisting the neo-SSPX, sedevacantists, sedeprivationist, and other "hardline" and "independent" trad communities.

    How is THAT uniting the clans? And who exactly are these excluded from the call? It is precisely those who could cause to Matt and the Remnant loss of donations and loss of access to members of the Novus Ordo hierarchy were Matt to associate publicly with them.


    Btw, I misspelt Miss White's Christian name in the post above. The name should be "Hilary" with a single L, not doubled:  Hilary White.
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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #17 on: July 19, 2025, 08:14:12 AM »
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  • One trad inc. down:

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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #19 on: July 19, 2025, 09:16:48 AM »
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  • Trump had tradcat party at Maralago?  The nerve!  He didn’t invite me! 
    Just kidding.  But if he DID invite me, I’d probably go just to see it and say I’ve been there.
    I have gone, or shall I say, “gotten in to” some unusual events among people out of my league.
    Like you, Viva, I saw a copious amount of nose hair.  👃🍹 🍤🥢

    Trump didn’t host the event I later learned.  Catholics for Catholics rented the place.  I guess Knights of Columbus hall wasn’t good enough.  lol. Is it Opus Dei?


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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #20 on: July 19, 2025, 09:20:26 AM »
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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #21 on: July 19, 2025, 09:22:01 AM »
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  • Snobby Catholics in name only had to pay extra for Mass, breakfast and fellowship.  Thats messed up.   

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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #22 on: July 19, 2025, 09:52:07 AM »
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  • Trad inc can enjoy their cancer causing cigars and wine.  Grapes are heavily sprayed with nasty chemicals. 
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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #24 on: July 19, 2025, 10:25:59 AM »
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  • Cigars and alcohol are costly.  

    The average Catholics are using their money to prep. 
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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #25 on: July 19, 2025, 11:17:41 AM »
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  • Are conservatives that are "traditional" (lowercase T) or "traditional leaning" qualified to even be part of Trad Inc?

    I guess what's deceiving about "Trad Inc" is that it's usually capitalized, suggesting they are part of the "Traditional Movement" in any way.

    But conservative-leaning, preferring a Latin Mass, doesn't even make you a Trad strictly speaking.

    Remember, Trads have existed since the very beginning. So things like "taking advantage of Rome's generosity in allowing a Latin Mass here or there" CAN'T be part of that movement.
    Before 1983 there was no indult of ANY kind allowing Tridentine Masses. But the Trad movement was alive & well -- and thriving.

    That's why I only include 5 points in my objective definition of a Traditional Catholic:

    1. Leaving the Novus Ordo and Conciliar Church completely behind, regardless of replacement options or lack thereof.
    2. Seeking out priests/bishops who will offer the Tridentine Mass AND ALL OTHER SACRAMENTS without scruples re: jurisdiction.
    3. Believing there is a Crisis in the Church: a Crisis involving the whole Faith (doctrine, priesthood, Mass, practices, fundamental attitude towards the World, etc.) not just the Mass
    4. Not concerning oneself with "permission", knowing that God gives the permission, and command, to keep the Faith and save our souls. And the Novus Ordo AND CONCILIAR RELIGION risks both.
    5. Living the Catholic life like it's 1950. "Holding to what we know", or the last known safe position. Devotions, morality, attitude towards sacraments, fasting, etc.

    Devout, serious or "good" Traditional Catholics have always had an additional trait:
    6. Adversarial relationship with "The World", considering it the enemy, approaching it cautiously, basically having an Us vs. Them or "bunker mentality" vis-a-vis The World and its inhabitants, "worldlings".

    If you look at the history of the past 55 years, you will find that my definition is quite accurate, comprehensive, and concise. You can't add much more to it, without excluding swaths of Trad Catholics (either geographically or different time periods).
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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #26 on: July 19, 2025, 11:51:42 AM »
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  • Notice my objective definition of Trad has *nothing* about the Pope.
    Aside from staying aloof from the Conciliar Church, and attending 100% Traditional Mass and sacraments, the Pope hasn't had anything to do with the Traditional Catholic movement.

    You don't even need to HAVE a position on the Pope. A random opinion or guess is sufficient. As long as you know you have to disobey unjust orders, including all orders to destroy your Faith and/or go to hell -- you're fine. Best case, we disobey (resist) unjust orders OUTSIDE THE POPE'S AUTHORITY.
    Worst case, the Pope's authority is disabled, on hold, or non-existent -- and therefore we don't follow the orders. Either way, not following the Modernist, anti-Catholic direction is a no-brainer.

    There is no dogma of the Catholic Faith that says "There is no Pope". Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? But how many dogmatic Sedes totally miss this? I can be totally uninterested in the Pope question, completely not care about my own opinion on it and/or the opinion my priest(s) have -- and be totally, 100% faithful Catholic. Because I'm not dismissing or downplaying dogma; I'm downplaying a controversy I can't possibly solve as a human being with limited information and intellect.

    I have moral certainty what God wants me to do: reject all the Conciliar, Modernist nonsense. It's not Catholic. I'm willing to stake my eternal life on that. Like I said: I have moral certainty. What I have no idea about is the status of the recent modern Popes.

    God came down to earth and founded a Church. The Catholic Church. That is the Church (alone) that brings holiness, grace, and eternal life. The Conciliar Church is clearly not that Church. Two non-equal things can't be equal. It's the most basic of logical principles: The identity principle (A thing is what it is, and is not what it is not) and the principle of non-contradiction: A thing can't be hot and cold (in the same way) at the same time.

    The Catholic Church can't BOTH be the Church of the lives of the Saints, AND the Church of Vatican II, at the same time. The two things are completely different. Either there was no true Catholic Church until 1970, or the current Conciliar Church is something "other" than the Catholic Church.
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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #27 on: July 19, 2025, 05:07:49 PM »
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  • Regarding the Pope question, it’s an issue upon which great Saints and Church Fathers themselves do not agree. Who am I to make the answer to the “be in, end all” of faith?  Who else has the authority to impose his or her stance a matter of binding in conscience for all others?  
    I can agree with aspects of differing stances on the question. I can also disagree in the same manner. Stick to the rule of Faith, the salvation of souls. I can and  h a v e  heard Mass, received Sacraments from members of opposite camps. It doesn’t disturb my conscience as it used to. If a priest were to interrogate me on the matter, decide I’m a heretic and refuse me the Sacraments, or (in one situation) permission to attend Mass, well, he answers to Christ at his judgment, not me!  
    For the most part, it is best for me and my soul’s salvation to remain silent. 
    Whichever stance is Our Lord’s and Our Lady’s, that’s the one I’m with!

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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #28 on: July 19, 2025, 05:31:53 PM »
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  • 5. Living the Catholic life like it's 1950. "Holding to what we know", or the last known safe position. Devotions, morality, attitude towards sacraments, fasting, etc.

    But even in the 1950s there were issues. Just look at what prior popes commented on Catholic modesty (people following worldly trends) and cinema.

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    Re: Who Would You Include as Trad Inc?
    « Reply #29 on: July 19, 2025, 05:46:27 PM »
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  • Cigars and alcohol are costly. 

    The average Catholics are using their money to prep.
    Personally, if you can afford it without depriving your family or are hindered in tithing and giving alms, I don’t begrudge anyone spending a moderate amount on alcohol or cigars, so long as it is not excessive, result in sin, or indulged in for the purpose of shaming others who cannot afford them. One should normally act according to his/her state in life. A rich man CAN sell off his goods, give to the poor, and join their ranks, but God does not require it. It is heroic charity, but very much a calling from God, not appropriate for everyone. I would not expect President Trump to give all he owns to the poor, don ragged clothes from the bin, live in a tent or sleep rough in the streets of Washington. If he did, he must give up his office as it’s unsuitable for a head of state to live in such a manner. 
    It would be equally unsuited for me to be invited to a party of wealthy Trad Inc. people at Maralago. First of all, I don’t have appropriate attire, wouldn’t fit in socially, be tongue-tied, unable to engage in conversation as I’m not a part of the Trad. Inc. world. I don’t “follow” its participants. I don’t know the names of people, their blogs or organizations, etc. And frankly, I don’t care to do so. God has not placed me in that state of life. 
    I don’t condemn anyone who IS “above” me in this life. I don’t look down on those “below” me, either. 

    In the end, it is as says the poet, James Shirley, in “The Leveller.”

    ”Scepter and Crown
    Must tumble down,
    And in the dust be equal made,
    With the poor crooked scythe and spade.”